We have to agree where we ARE before we stand a chance to agree about what we do from here.

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    2 days ago

    Wow this thread is kinda fucked. Im way more left than most to the point that i think supporting biden/harris leading up to the last election was a mistake, although i would’ve begrudgingly voted harris when it came down to it. But this is just vindictive and unproductive. How about “lets both admit the corporations and their stooges have fucked us for way too long and come together to stop them” rather than some stupid childish finger pointing shit. Like i get the rage, but keep it pointing at the ones who are actively fucking you over.

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      11 hours ago

      It’s unproductive to try working with people who, for the past few decades, were actively voting to get rid of my friends and family because they didn’t fit White Heteronormative Christian Right America’s box.

      They put all of their faith into Trump. They literally believed God sent him to save America from the Democrats and liberals trying to “destroy” this country.

      I’m sorry, but I do not want to put my trust in the hands of racist bigots who can easily be lead astray by their own greed and prejudices.

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      The ones who are actively fucking me over are the ones that keep supporting the ones that are also actively fucking me over. Accountability doesn’t end at the ballot.

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        12 hours ago

        So we agree that the ones fucking you over are the billionaires bankrolling the fire hose of toxic media that gets people to vote against their interest?

        Genuinely not sure of the stance you’re taking…

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      Yeah yeah. We already get that “both sides bad” argument. You’re clearly ignoring that the Republicans are actively destroying our government, our rights, and our access to necessary infrastructure and services while giving even more power to corporations. One is orders of magnitude worse. So trying to equate the two parties is insultingly misleading.

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      This place has become a self-righteous circle jerk with no means of spreading the information we believe in as they’re hostile to anybody that isn’t exactly the same.

      So if all use leftists are here and all the right wingers are on Twitter, then nobody is going to learn anything new as we have become our own echo chambers.

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        Oh no! How will I know what right wingers think? That would mean I need to open a newspaper! Or turn on a television! Or spend an evening with my mother in law’s new boyfriend!

        Fuck off with your echo chamber bullshit.

        I know what they want. They want to hurt me and mine. And I’m not going to roll over.

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          So you don’t believe us all being in echo chambers is going to make the situation worse?

          Do you believe that you can’t get any right wingers to turn left wing? What about vice versa?

          I couldn’t give a fuck what they think you pleb, I am interesting in trying to get people to open their eyes and leave the right and come join us on the left.

          Many of those people have been lied to, just as much as we have and I believe given the opportunity we would be able to reason people out of their mindsets to find a common enemy which is elites.

          Edit: There is a YouTuber who makes left leaning content and he has said on numerous videos how he was drawn into the alt-right pipeline and he was smart enough to learn that wasn’t right and that they’re not spreading truth. He’s called JimmyTheGiant. If he is able to be taken from the right to the left then that means other people are and they’re only going to make that leap if we talk with them. Sure some of them are lost causes, but I want to focus on the people who we can reach.

          Unless you just want to hang around here and we can all wank each other off a how much more superior we are because of our beliefs whilst never actually increasing our numbers because nobody wants to interact with the perceived other side.

          Funny how you can now what all republicans want, but I’m sure you would take issue if they said all leftists want the exact same thing.

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            1 day ago

            I love how the comment degenerates into madness slowly like a bad copy pasta.