• Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    I’m assuming this is referring to JSO.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Stop_Oil

    Beginning on 1 April, they carried out England-wide blockades of ten critical oil facilities, intending to cut off the supply of petrol to South East England.[33][34][35]

    On 26 August, the group blocked seven petrol stations in Central London and vandalised fuel pumps. Forty-three people around London were arrested on suspicion of criminal damage.

    On 20 June, the protestors spray painted private jets at a private airfield at Stansted Airport. The group had been targeting a jet belonging to singer Taylor Swift, but could not locate it.[140]

    Yes, a lot of their protests are “awareness” stuff (basically none of which do actual damage. Unlike oil, actually!). No, it’s not just that. The UK isn’t an active warzone so bombing stuff is slightly more difficult to justify.

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      The reason they stopped directly targeting oil infrastructure in the UK is because the oil/gas giants bought injunctions (private laws) banning protest near them, leading to people going to prison for holding signs on a grass verge outside an oil refinery.

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      I do question the awareness they’re raising tho, it’s not getting people on their side. It’s not. Full stop.

      It’s pushing people away and distracting from the actual issue. People liked the private jet attack, people fucking loathed the stone henge stunt.

      Just stop oil is a news topic for Talk TV and GB news to make people hate the idea of protecting the environment, and it’s working.

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        If you’ve got better ideas, we need them, get out there and get on it. As it is, we’re sleepwalking into catastrophe.

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          They did say what works and what doesn’t. Attack private jets and block oil refineries, don’t spray paint Stonehenge or paintings. It’s not hard to figure out what’s going to be popular and what isn’t.

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            NOBODY SPRAYPAINTED STONEHENGE

            they threw corn starch on it. Corn starch.

            actually loads of people do spraypaint stone henge, but JSO didn’t.

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              Yeah, people don’t care that it washes off easily, they don’t hear about that part, the point is that those actions aren’t popular, painting/blocking private jets is, so just do more of that instead?

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                  There’s that one time they did it, also the time they breached the private jetway in Schiphol and cycled around. Not sure if it happened more times.

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                Hardly anyone supports painting/blocking private jets. Remember, nearly everyone believes they’re just temporarily embarassed millionaires.

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            Nobody hears about them shutting down oil factories, attention getting stuff is why those are talked about.

            They never do any actual harm either, like Stonehenge was cornstarch, it’ll all be gone the next time it rains. They paint the glass in front of paintings, not the paintings themselves.

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          My better idea is to not do dumb shit that actively turns people (voters) against the cause. Egg some politicians, paint some private jets, people love that shit.

          Besides just saying “AwArEnEsS”, what does JSO actually achieve?

          Every single person on the planet is aware of climate change, what we actually need to do is convince people to take action. JSO actively convinces people to vote against action on climate change.

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              The point I’m trying to make is that despite the good stuff they may do, it’s overshadowed by the dumb shit that’s turning people against the cause.

              Those actions didn’t achieve much, and I’d say anything they did achieve has been undone by their other antics.

              Do you know anyone who has been convinced by JSO to take more action against climate change? It’s only people who are already onboard cheering them on.

              I know a few people who have become more anti green because of JSO, and general consensus among anyone I know is that JSO is doing more harm than good.

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            Every single person on the planet is aware of climate change

            I’m still trying to get my husband’s uncle to get off his easy out of “well I guess it’s happening, but humans didn’t cause it.” He, along with a lot of other people, are in an echo chamber. Obviously plopping pigment on monuments isn’t going to do shit to convince them, but I don’t know what will.

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        “Full Stop”, lol.

        Is that the current temper tantrum buzzword?

        I’m sure it is, FULL STOP!

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    Recommended the book “How to Blow Up a Pipeline” by Andreas Malm so you can explain to your boomer parents why this kind of protest is necessary and why violence against private property is an effective and necessary means of gaining justice.

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    The chad is just an ecoterrorists. Both are valid forms of saving the environment. The chad will become more common as more realize we are out of time and as more die due to climate change.

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      The chad is just an ecoterrorists.

      Pretty sure the Chad is trying to defend their country by destroying the aggressors revenue stream. (I could have missed some other news though.)

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    Based

    Imagine how much better the world would be if gas cost $100 per gallon

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      Gas prices mean nothing if you can take the train. Every time gas prices jump, people start thinking about alternatives. Might be pretty sick, actually.

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        Exactly.

        If gas cost $100 per gallon, cities would HAVE to build trolleys or subways. Which is my dream. I just want trains

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      I, for one, would be whole lot poorer and a whole lot hungrier.

      Idk where you get your food from, but mine comes from a store up the road a bit and is mostly delivered using vehicles that use gasoline to deliver it there.

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    You are literally spreading propaganda against climate protest.

    Why? Do you want to discouraged protest? Do you want to distract from the environmental vandalism of oil companies? Do you want to empower governments to pass anti protest measures?

    What is your goal here? If you are trying to recruit for an eco terrorist cell surely you’d do better psyching people up rather than ridiculing some of the most risk-comfortable protesters.

    edit: You know I’m actually not done. They haven’t destroyed any paintings, they threw soup on glass. Unlike the fossil fuel industry which has destroyed like entire fucking species, in unknowable numbers.

    Also you want to whinge about a blocked road but want people to destroy pipelines? what do you think happens when petrol stations can’t get fuel? Sure seems like that’ll stop even more people getting to work on time.

    Could you uncritically absorb oil company astroturfing and pro status quo media bullshit a little less eagerly?

    relevant usa civil rights quote applies:

    First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”

    Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

    Your armchair iamvertsmart take is counterproductive.

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    Western Left: Terrified of guns, won’t touch one, thinks we can vote our way out.

    Me: Ready for when Red Shirts come.

    “NO! It won’t work like that!!”

    Women, LGBT and minorities are the largest gun buying demographic:

    “NO! Not like that!!”

    The Ukrainians got a clue. Do you?

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      I wish more leftists would arm themselves, not because they need to use them, but because the very sight of it might be enough to scare Republicans into doing some kind of gun control. Like when the Panthers started arming themselves

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      That’s not a western thing, it’s an american thing.

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    Remember, refineries are the bottleneck not the wells and pipelines. So targeting it all on refineries has the highest impact to production.

    Donating to United24 hopefully helps if you can’t volunteer yourself. Does anyone have info on how to donate to Ukraine anti oil more specifically?

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    Tell me again, which paintings were destroyed? And how, given they’re all behind some plexiglass?