Around the world, progressive parties have come to see tight immigration restrictions as unnecessary, even cruel. What if they’re actually the only way for progressivism to flourish?
That the era of low immigration was also the era of progressive triumph is no coincidence. […] The United States felt more like a cohesive nation to many voters, with higher levels of social trust and national pride, and politicians were able to enact higher taxes on the rich and new benefits like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
Yep, if one has an understanding of democracy pre-WW II
The new understanding the west came to agree upon also contained
Funnily enough those human rights basically are the extension of core Christian values, which are usually not considered progressive.
And among them are the right to asylum and the right not to be deported somewhere, where murder and torture are to be expected.
Immigration to Denmark is not a human right.
Additionally, the vast majority of immigrants are under no specific risk of murder and torture, besides the part where the country they come from is just generally dangerous.
That’s exactly what asylum is about and why asylum is a human right. (That said, asylum approval in Denmark is higher than the EU average and doesn’t seem like a problem.)
I’m an Atheist who is very acutely aware of where most of the danger in most of these countries comes from. It’s not left behind at the border. It’s also most of what makes conservatives in general dangerous, not just foreign conservatives.
Could you explain?
Sufficiently religious people always make everything bad, in big and small ways.
How so? Aren’t those who seek asylum those who disagree with their country’s societal atmosphere? Why would someone impose their beliefs on a radically different place they’ve just settled to?
You’re completely and utterly ignorant on this.
Ex-Muslims for example have a LOT of issues with a lot of their “fellow” immigrants who abandoned absolutely none of the beliefs and behaviors that made it difficult to live in their country of origin, including harsh treatment and violence against any Middle Eastern looking person recklessly brave enough to not pretend to be at least moderately religious.
A sizable portion of immigrants tend not to disagree with the “social atmosphere” of their original country, and tend to move purely for practical, often financial reasons. From what I’ve seen there’s a lot of “Technically this place has better results, but I don’t really agree with how they got there. Too much alcohol, too many sluts and gays, too permissive.” or similar sentiments from that part of the demographic.
Because that’s how humans are. I’m an immigrant myself, and trust me I’ve asked myself the same question so many times. People move to get away from horrible conditions in their home country, then immediately set to recreating the factors that caused those horrible conditions in the first place. Most people just don’t make the logical leap between their beliefs and the end results.
As we do not share values, let’s disuss technicalities instead:
Then everybody is like “Muh, but Dublin rules”. Yeah right, because those will work out perfectly for Europe, when all the southern states are left alone with all the immigrants.
In consequence, every “we want immigration to go down” comes down to using brutal violence against those immigrants. And now we’re back to square one: questions about human rights ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes, it does come down to that.
Now either accept it, or lose the voters and lose elections and fight to overthrow the “unethical” democracy that refuses to share their country sufficiently.
Or, you know, as we talk democracy, talk to and convince other people?
And failing that, as the US and several European countries have recently experienced? Stand proud as a principled failure? Refusing to budge to the people’s will on important issues?