A child who was not vaccinated has died from measles in West Texas, the first death in an outbreak that began late last month and the first from measles in the U.S. since 2015.
The death was a “school-aged child who was not vaccinated” and had been hospitalized last week, the Texas Department of State Health Services said Wednesday in a statement. Lubbock health officials also confirmed the death, but neither agency provided more details. A news conference is scheduled for Wednesday afternoon.
Covenant Children’s Hospital in Lubbock didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment, nor did Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s office.
I feel sorry for the kid, but at the same time, I hope the funeral is the most painful, drawn out event for their parents, that everyone who comes lets them know exactly whose fault it is that their child is dead. I hope it’s a learning experience for them.
Unfortunately, no one in the antiVax is going to change their minds until it hits them very close. That kids first cousins might, maybe, get vaxed. More likely, they’ll blame it on the hospital, or the flu.
Even if they’re willing to admit that the vaccination would have saved his life they’re going to be torn getting their other children vaccinated because of the possible negatives they think could happen. In their view it’s a slight chance of death versus guaranteed autism.
I bet if you go ask them right now they’ll point out that colds Have death rates associated with them. Just another avoidable unavoidable tragedy.
They’ll refuse to be reasoned with or educated. These people were literally taking horse dewormer and an attempt to avoid vaccines.
I don’t think that wishing them extra pain is particularly useful. We’re all mad at them but realistically they’re just undereducated, obstinate, and programmed.
People who don’t get vaccines are stupid.
They’re not going to learn their lesson; they’re going to think that it was a random act of God without explanation.
It is not an uncommon occurrence for evangelical extremists to tell you to be grateful your child or whoever is dead because they get to be with God. These people are mental.
As someone who grew up with this shit, after my sister died in an accident this is exactly what these nutters say.
Same here my friend. My little brother’s funeral had me raging.
And to make things worse, Bronzo the Clown installed that idiot Bobby Brainworms to validate their bullshit.
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no, it’s very much on them if they choose to continue being stupid when being stupid cost them the life of their child. It’s not on anyone else.
And if they choose to continue being stupid, to go back to the anti-vax community after the anti-vax community helped them kill their kid, well, we can only hope they don’t have any more kids to kill.
You’re thinking with your emotions, not your rationality right now. Fiki_fiki is right, by insulting people as you’re trying to convince them of something only makes them cling harder to their existing beliefs.
I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything, as I highly doubt the aforementioned dipshit parents are reading this Lemmy thread.
I’m saying if the death of their own child doesn’t make them wise up, nothing will, and it’s not anyone else’s responsibility to try and cater to their stupidity by softening the blow. If enduring your own child’s funeral, that you caused, only makes you double down on killing kids, then you hopefully do not have access to any more children to kill. That’s all. Please feel free to explain how that’s “emotional” or “isn’t rational”. I think it’s quite rational.
I’m not so sure about that. You’re applying logic to people that never were acting on logic in the first place. Acknowledging the fault would psychologically break most at that point, I’d expect their brain to double down instead out of defense… Not a lot of people have control over that, even for smart people.
The distrust in science is because they do not trust the institutions which have likely caused real harm to them. It’s a bigger problem. Life is not so simple. I wish it was, but it isn’t.
I’m not saying they shouldn’t be held accountable… I’d expect a trial to convince them more than the initial event which is emotionally extreme, they’d likely be in shock for some time. A trial would force them to think about it for a long, long time.
Hope they live a long time
Yes.
I suggest you educate yourself before you wish ill on people you know nothing about. That comment is absolutely vile.
Poverty And Lack Of Health Insurance Keep Kids Unvaccinated Too : Shots - Health News https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/05/20/724468630/the-other-reasons-kids-arent-getting-vaccinations-poverty-and-health-care-access
Yeah, but that’s what’s fucked up a out all of this. It’s a religious anti-Vax area that votes hard red. It’s only spreading because it has some of the highest rates of unvacinnated kids, due to “religious” reasons. Even if it was a Healthcare access issue, they voted for the party currently trying to gut Medicaid.
While it’s terribly sad for the children, this is consequences of the actions taken by the community.
I thought making blanket judgements about entire communities or groups of people is something we were supposed to think a little harder about.
And saying they deserve it is also something we are supposed to avoid.
Maybe by imposing my moral standard on others im not making the best argument, but i feel obligated to point it out.
We can’t afford to think like that anymore. It’s us or them.
So where does it say in the original article that these parents didn’t get their kid vaccinated because they couldn’t afford it? I must’ve missed that. See I’m pretty sure it was because they deliberately chose to leave their kid vulnerable to infectious disease, but if you have evidence proving the contrary (not just an article saying “some people don’t because they can’t afford it” – something actually relating to these specific parents who lost a child, demonstrating that they couldn’t afford it), please, do enlighten me.
It doesnt.
It also doesnt say that the kid was the child of anti vax minnonites. It doesnt say that they were poor, or the closest hospital was 45 miles away and they had no car. It doesnt say they were a recent immigrant. That seams like easy ammunition for the right. Would be an easy way to demonize people if it were.
It doesnt say any of that.
It could have been. But you dont know. And neither do i.
See how that works?
All of that is true.
However, it does say where this kid died. In West Texas. Where there are large swathes of undervaccinated children because of their anti-vax parents.
See how that works? Or is the power of inference beyond you?
Inference in this case is only reinforcing your preconceptions and bias. There is no hard evidence in this article.
Wait. Hold up… i get what you are saying.
We dont like “the others” They are “the enemy” “They arent like us.” "They should burn for their beliefs and what they do to the rest of us. " “They hurt our communities.” “They sicken our people.”
Your inference is reductive and crass. It is the excuse of homophobes and racists and facists across the god damn world.
But you didnt realize that at all, did you?
You are so caught up in being right and villifying a community with no actual evidence, that you forgot that there are sick and dying children.
Infer my ass. Where is your empathy?
Oh, good, you’re not stupid!
Ah, nope, nevermind, I had too much hope. See, the time for empathy is before someone starts killing innocent children with their ignorance, not after they’ve already started dying. It’s okay, I forgive your stupidity. Better luck next time, sport, but I have better things to do than try to make random internet strangers less stupid, that’s a you problem and I’m keeping it that way. Bye now! <3
I dont see any more straw man arguments in my arguement than you have in yours.
When there is evidence for why the kid wasnt vaccinated, i will amend my public opinion. Until the reporters or an agency can say definately that the kid died because the family was antivax, i will withold my judgement. Until then, they are a sad statistic in an embarrasing resurgence of a shitty disease.
Odds are very good that you’re right, and im appalled that this is happening. but im not condemning them until i have actual evidence. And there is nothing wrong with withholding that judgement. And that is my point.
Who cares if you withhold judgement while someone else doesn’t? Do you feel morally superior?
Yeah this whole thread is a bit gross.
I mean the parents are stupid, perhaps even criminally negligent, but they were probably acting with the best of intentions and genuinely thought they were protecting their child. It’s incredibly sad.
Show me where in the article it says the kid that died was from an anti vax family. It doesnt.
My point is, poverty and lack of health facilities play a huge role in kids not getting vaccinated. Its outlined in the article i replied with.
This whole thread is jumping to conclusions, extrapolating with no evidence, and condemning the parents of dead kids
It sounds familiar. It sounds. Kinda like… antivaxers.
The article talks about the safety of vaccines… Reporters have to walk on eggshells to avoid pointing fingers and insult part of their audience.
my degree was in journalism. In a past life i was a reporter. Shit job. I have had lots of shit jobs since. I completely understand what you are saying.
But, if they cant explicitly say it, then you probably shouldnt extrapolate. When the evidence is clear, then by all means evicerate whoever you want.
Just because the propoganda is something you agree with, doesnt mean it isnt propoganda. You have been given a roadmap, but you do not have evidence.
I also agree with your point. I know they cant say it out loud. But i draw the line at wishing ill on the parents of dead kids.
And once again, my point is, you dont know if the kid was part of the minnonite community that refuses vaccines, or if it was the neighbor kid. You do not know if there were other factors that prevented the kid getting that vaccine. Poverty, lack of healthcare, or an immunocompromised child.
The problem with that line of thinking is that soon enough it wasn’t the parents fault but the fact that their dog died 5 years ago and they never got around to getting the vaccine. Might there be mitigating facts? Sure, but at the end of the day, it’s either the parent’s fault or the state’s fault for not making sure the kid got vaccinated.
And btw immunocompromised children are rare enough to be a rounding error.