Brendan Eich is Palantir CEO and Jeffrey Epstein associate Peter Thiel’s friend and business partner.
Even ignoring the shady/questionable stuff Brave has done on its own wrt to crypto and advertising, you gotta be a special kind of stupid to know about the Thiel connection and believe Brave is a trustworthy browser.
Switch to Fennec, LibreWolf, or any of the dozens of Firefox forks out there.
Personally, I see a pattern of continually engaging in underhanded and rent-seeking behavior that does not align with its stated goal of ensuring user privacy. Because I see a pattern of trying things to see what they can get away with, I lack any trust in their future behavior and have no desire to use software that I feel I have to maintain constant vigilance over what changes they’re making from release to release.
I totally get your point about not wanting to use Brave for ethical and moral reasons, but considering I haven’t seen any issues lately regarding a lack of privacy or honesty from the devs, I’m actually really comfortable where I’m at.
It’s not just about moral reasons (although I would write them off for moral reasons alone, to be clear). Brave as a browser has a history of making privacy worse- see, for example, disabling advance anti-fingerprinting in 2024 and their piss-poor tor implementation in 2021. Your initial comment had said you hadn’t seen anything since 2018 and maybe you like the browser enough to not care about their history of careless implementations of privacy features or their limiting of user choice on fingerprinting protections, but I don’t see how these objections can be dismissed as not relating to privacy.
They really do involve privacy, just like how Brave used Google as its default search engine when it was first created, but that changed over time, just as the things you mentioned are from 2018 and 2024 (8 and 2 years ago).
So let me get this straight: you are concerned about Google’s overreach into your privacy rights, but you are defending Brave browser, who has a history of deceiving users with claims of privacy, literally trying to mine shitcoins on your device, and promoting ads for certain affiliates without telling anyone?
Honestly, that mindset is way too narrow. For instance, companies and services like GrapheneOS, Fossify, Proton services, and many others are free or have free versions, but that doesn’t mean they’re selling your info to aliens from Mars or whatever. They might be supported by donations (like GrapheneOS and Fossify) or have paid versions of the product (like Proton and Tutanota services).
Either way, saying “if you’re not paying for something, you’re the product” as if it applies every single time is a really outdated way of thinking.
Agreed, out of box brave is kind of bad (similar to firefox) but once you personalize it its one of the best chromium browsers out there especially on mobile.
Brave is easier to fix than Firefox, not counting its forks. And, depending on how you feel about Firefox-like performance on mobile devices vs Chrome-likes (FF-likes are much slower especially on older devices, have no tab grouping, suffer extremely subpar handling of old tab management, have really frustrating bookmark management), even the good Firefox forks lag behind substantially.
I TOTALLY agree with that; it’s not that great straight out of the box, but if you take 15 minutes of your time to customize it, it’ll be perfect for daily use.
why do people insist on using fucking brave
Probably because of this https://www.privacyguides.org/en/mobile-browsers/
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Brendan Eich is Palantir CEO and Jeffrey Epstein associate Peter Thiel’s friend and business partner.
Even ignoring the shady/questionable stuff Brave has done on its own wrt to crypto and advertising, you gotta be a special kind of stupid to know about the Thiel connection and believe Brave is a trustworthy browser.
Switch to Fennec, LibreWolf, or any of the dozens of Firefox forks out there.
Here’s a brief synopsis of the various things Brave has gotten up to, with receipts rather than “Brave is spyware”: https://thelibre.news/no-really-dont-use-brave/.
Personally, I see a pattern of continually engaging in underhanded and rent-seeking behavior that does not align with its stated goal of ensuring user privacy. Because I see a pattern of trying things to see what they can get away with, I lack any trust in their future behavior and have no desire to use software that I feel I have to maintain constant vigilance over what changes they’re making from release to release.
I totally get your point about not wanting to use Brave for ethical and moral reasons, but considering I haven’t seen any issues lately regarding a lack of privacy or honesty from the devs, I’m actually really comfortable where I’m at.
It’s not just about moral reasons (although I would write them off for moral reasons alone, to be clear). Brave as a browser has a history of making privacy worse- see, for example, disabling advance anti-fingerprinting in 2024 and their piss-poor tor implementation in 2021. Your initial comment had said you hadn’t seen anything since 2018 and maybe you like the browser enough to not care about their history of careless implementations of privacy features or their limiting of user choice on fingerprinting protections, but I don’t see how these objections can be dismissed as not relating to privacy.
They really do involve privacy, just like how Brave used Google as its default search engine when it was first created, but that changed over time, just as the things you mentioned are from 2018 and 2024 (8 and 2 years ago).
So let me get this straight: you are concerned about Google’s overreach into your privacy rights, but you are defending Brave browser, who has a history of deceiving users with claims of privacy, literally trying to mine shitcoins on your device, and promoting ads for certain affiliates without telling anyone?
Either you are a paid troll or incredibly naive.
List which privacy promises Brave has failed to keep.
This isn’t even a complete list. Are you starting to see why Brave and deGoogle don’t go together yet?
If its free - you are the product. Always.
Honestly, that mindset is way too narrow. For instance, companies and services like GrapheneOS, Fossify, Proton services, and many others are free or have free versions, but that doesn’t mean they’re selling your info to aliens from Mars or whatever. They might be supported by donations (like GrapheneOS and Fossify) or have paid versions of the product (like Proton and Tutanota services). Either way, saying “if you’re not paying for something, you’re the product” as if it applies every single time is a really outdated way of thinking.
Did you see Rossman’s vids on Graphene creator and the huge nutjob that he is?
No
Go look those up. Rossman was a proponent and pushing this OS until he had a couple chats with its creator and all hell broke loose.
Agreed, out of box brave is kind of bad (similar to firefox) but once you personalize it its one of the best chromium browsers out there especially on mobile.
Brave is easier to fix than Firefox, not counting its forks. And, depending on how you feel about Firefox-like performance on mobile devices vs Chrome-likes (FF-likes are much slower especially on older devices, have no tab grouping, suffer extremely subpar handling of old tab management, have really frustrating bookmark management), even the good Firefox forks lag behind substantially.
I TOTALLY agree with that; it’s not that great straight out of the box, but if you take 15 minutes of your time to customize it, it’ll be perfect for daily use.