• mustardman
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    1 year ago

    This is a human problem that cannot seem to be fixed. It feels like a simulation how history is constantly stuck in the same power cycles without sustained improvement.

    There are innocent people who have been conditioned to think the status quo is the best we have, who themselves are victims of misinformation. The only left-wing revolutions I’ve seen in history involves purging these people from society, which eventually creates the left wing gestapos, like the NKVD. These organizations persist to squash dissidents and millions of deaths later these countries revert to capitalism or quasi-capitalism due to a failed system.

    I don’t know what the best answer to it is, but there are no quick fixes.

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        1 year ago

        The Gestapo and NKVD were both oppressive secret police organizations. Why is it controversial to say this?

        I was genuinely trying to turn this into a good-faith debate and was going to note it as my first positive interaction with a Hexbear user.

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          One was opressing communists, ethnic and sexual minorities, one was opressing capitalists and other reactionaries

          You equate the two…

          Please look into the tolerance paradox

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          Coming from a German instance you should be more mindful

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            1 year ago

            Both organizations participated in overwhelming amount of extrajudicial killings. Incidentally, both organizations also purged socialists.

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              Both organizations participated in overwhelming amount of extrajudicial killings.

              Of who? pit

              Incidentally, both organizations also purged socialists.

              Arresting someone for a crime who happens to be a socialist is exactly the same as purging socialists for being socialists because you think they’re secret agents of the Jews.

              This is the laziest equivocation I’ve ever seen and you should eat a pile of leaves.

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              Again, coming from a German instance you should be more mindful. Equating a fascist regime and a socialist state is actually a fascist talking point disguised as centrism.

              Extrajudicial killings are definitely not good when you just look at it in a vacuum/without context and noone argues in favor of that. Not on hexbear at least.

              That said, looking at things without context is not dialectical aka lib. And the context here being WW2…

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        Turns out you were serious. Perhaps you should log off the internet and open a history book, friend.