Obviously the “not really helping” is the critical part of that statement.
In many cases they help a great deal.
“Depriving people of liberty” is also an appeal to emotion. While that does happen briefly in some cases, it’s not really the norm. I’m sure you’ll find that any one in healthcare is only going to do that if the patient is at risk of harming themselves or others. The alternative is allowing people the liberty to harm themselves or others.
I get your point but let’s not pretend that the world is in a good state and that healthcare can fix all mental or physical issues. Often if you have gotten to the point of suicide it’s because you’re not treatable or because of external factors like extreme poverty.
I’m sorry, but this seems divorced from reality and resonates in precisely the same way that “pro lifers” resonate when they make a claim that adoption is the answer to abortion. Well, ok, show me where there are lines of people waiting to adopt. Likewise, show me where the infrastructure is to heal all these people.
Kinda sounds like you don’t have an answer.
Sure, if your bestie is having a tough time then of course you’ll talk to them and do whatever it takes not to call EMS.
If it’s a “casual acquaintance” as I said your options kinda diminish.
I called EMS for my neighbor once. A few days later his mother came to thank me profusely.
I’m not in the US though so things work a bit differently here.
They are still traumatically carting people away, depriving them of liberty, and not really helping.
Obviously the “not really helping” is the critical part of that statement.
In many cases they help a great deal.
“Depriving people of liberty” is also an appeal to emotion. While that does happen briefly in some cases, it’s not really the norm. I’m sure you’ll find that any one in healthcare is only going to do that if the patient is at risk of harming themselves or others. The alternative is allowing people the liberty to harm themselves or others.
And I take the stance that people have a right to self harm or self end.
Sure ok. That’s a cool edgy take, but you have to acknowledge that view will never be widely held.
There’s nothing edgy. If someone is suffering enough to want to leave then it’s cruel to force them to stay.
Only if that suffering is untreatable.
I get your point but let’s not pretend that the world is in a good state and that healthcare can fix all mental or physical issues. Often if you have gotten to the point of suicide it’s because you’re not treatable or because of external factors like extreme poverty.
I’m sorry, but this seems divorced from reality and resonates in precisely the same way that “pro lifers” resonate when they make a claim that adoption is the answer to abortion. Well, ok, show me where there are lines of people waiting to adopt. Likewise, show me where the infrastructure is to heal all these people.
It’s “divorced from reality” to suggest we should intervene when someone wants to commit suicide?
I don’t know what to say to you mate. Good day.