The CPUSA leadership are corrupt, backwards, and completely out of touch with their reality as an organization and material reality in the United States.
The only main pushes seem to be for empty electoralism for Democrat politics and never any other substantial effort. The leadership are completely unable to let go of the fact that it’s not the 1960’s-80’s anymore. They are also Pro-Khrushchev and believe in market economics.
The party line is that they are literally opposed to a revolution. They are a liberal shill party that’s an empty shell of its former self, and the positions are extremely idealist and removed from material reality.
They also promote “common sense gun reform” which is essentially just disarming the working class so that only the military has guns. And disarming the working class seems to go pretty heavily against Marx and is only something a reformist group could promote
Here they explicitly lay out that the movement will see victory against fascism and will lead the “Revolution”, through electoral means, and that with the ballot box they can strike blows against the right wing.
I mean yes both Dems and Republicans are capitalist imperialists who are never reformable and will forever be capitalist imperialists, however while the revolution hasn’t happened yet it is important to vote Dems which takes barely any effort.
Conservatives straight up are threatening the lives of minority groups and LGBTQ on an entirely different scale than democrats and life for me as a minority living in the US has gotten significantly worse since trump.
It is idealistic to just not vote or vote for some 3rd party that never wins while real shit has been ramping up for people like me from the republican side (and yes I know Dems do it too and are also bigoted racists but again Republicans do it on a whole nother scale).
Conservatives straight up are threatening the lives of minority groups and LGBTQ on an entirely different scale than democrats and life for me as a minority living in the US has gotten significantly worse since trump.
Democrats have been in power in that time! Dems are complicit!
What do they actually, materially, do? Do they just talk about protection without following through?
It is idealistic to just not vote or vote for some 3rd party that never wins while real shit has been ramping up for people like me from the republican side (and yes I know Dems do it too and are also bigoted racists but again Republicans do it on a whole nother scale).
Voting does not stop anything. It is not important.
I’ll still do it, some, but it doesn’t stop what’s coming for all of us.
The Dems just want donations, they don’t want to help anyone.
I think voting in local elections is still generally a good idea as I’ve found often there is actually a good amount of difference in what the candidates can accomplish (like some who won in my city have been working to pull city funding from homesless shelters)
Oh absolutely. I only said the thing about the local elections cause I would rather things be better in the things local elections will actually change in the meantime before we can have a reolution
They materially exist to at least slow down the more extreme racist and bigoted narratives and policies being pushed by Republicans. If democrats didn’t exist and this nations as purely Republicans we would be seeing the LGBTQ community being thrown in camps already.
Let’s go with your theory that voting doesn’t stop or alleviate any issues. Republican power has only been growing due to worsening conditions, and fascism is preferable to socialism in the eyes of the majority of the brainwashed reactionaries living here. We don’t help vote cause “voting doesn’t matter” and let Republicans win over and take every seat. The spineless dem will give in and join their side, and now we got a race of who can get more extreme right.
By the way conservatives are much more likely to vote than disillusioned Democrats. And they will vote in droves for their fascist leaders.
You already see this in republican circles already where they have really started sliding further right at an unprecedented scale. And just look at all the policies being passed in Florida, it is not looking good.
Anyone who thinks worsening conditions will lead to a communist revolution over a fascist one is not paying attention to the reactionary preference for fascism in this nation.
This does not bode well for marginalized communities. You may not give a shit but I do, as my own life has been severely negatively impacted ever since the trump presidency.
The only people who would have no fear of a republican take over are straight and white.
They materially exist to at least slow down the more extreme racist and bigoted narratives and policies being pushed by Republicans.
Do they actually do this?
If democrats didn’t exist and this nations as purely Republicans we would be seeing the LGBTQ community being thrown in camps already.
There are already people in camps in the U$. They are just not people you care about. Many of them were placed there under the aegis of Dem politicians.
This does not bode well for marginalized communities. You may not give a shit but I do, as my own life has been severely negatively impacted ever since the trump presidency.
There are already marginalized people in camps. You’re just ok with that. The Trump presidency is over, and the bad things that are happening now are under a Dem president. The Dems do not materially ease the suffering.
Amerikkka has always been as bad as 1940’s fascism. Voting will never change that.
If the left guarantees dems our votes then they will only move further right to get anti-trump right-wingers’ reluctant votes. They will only be pressured to not be as bad as republicans if we pressure them by not “voting blue no matter who.”
That’s purely speculation. I can also speculate that by letting Republicans win, the spineless Dems are just gonna join the winning side and swap over. Plenty have already done so or became libertarians who are just mini republicans. If popular support is on the side of the more extreme right then everyone moves further right. You can literally see this effect in CNN where they have increasingly worse narratives sliding towards the fascist right.
By the way the same Republicans are portraying the LGBTQ community as associated with groomers and also happen to have the gun nuts on their side. At least democrats don’t actively do that. Republicans have been sliding real fast towards an even more extreme right ever since the trump presidency.
But sure both are equal and let’s not vote and let Republicans win every seat. Definitely not gona have a worsening affect marginalized communities.
This acts like the democrats do anything else. They didn’t codify Roe. They didn’t stop the migrant concentration camps. They haven’t stopped states from persecuting trans people. They didn’t stop the us from invading Afganistan. They didn’t pull out of Iraq. They didn’t stop the US from militarizing Somalia. They didn’t stop the US from finding fascist Ukraine.
That’s not a particularly civil thing to say and only tells me you have no interest in having a productive conversation but only want to be rude and argumentative
The CPUSA leadership are corrupt, backwards, and completely out of touch with their reality as an organization and material reality in the United States.
The only main pushes seem to be for empty electoralism for Democrat politics and never any other substantial effort. The leadership are completely unable to let go of the fact that it’s not the 1960’s-80’s anymore. They are also Pro-Khrushchev and believe in market economics.
The party line is that they are literally opposed to a revolution. They are a liberal shill party that’s an empty shell of its former self, and the positions are extremely idealist and removed from material reality.
They also promote “common sense gun reform” which is essentially just disarming the working class so that only the military has guns. And disarming the working class seems to go pretty heavily against Marx and is only something a reformist group could promote
COINTELPRO did a number on them? i’d imagine so since that’s what the op was created to target
Actually, they are not corrupt or backwards. They are more realistic and in touch than most other orgs.
We do not and never have endorsed Democrats as well.
We are also anti-Khruschv.
We are also not opposed to revolution.
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There is evidence to back up every single one of these claims? Why lie???
One of the lines is literally “We have to defeat Trump by voting Hillary”
https://www.cpusa.org/article/hillarys-hour/
Leaders in the 50’s/60’s to the modern day continued to parrot Khrushchev “revelations” about Stalin.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/40403665.pdf
Here they explicitly lay out that the movement will see victory against fascism and will lead the “Revolution”, through electoral means, and that with the ballot box they can strike blows against the right wing.
https://www.cpusa.org/article/defeating-the-rightwing-on-the-road-to-socialism/
This is all beyond idealist and completely devoid of theory or Marxist policy.
“But actually, promoting the invasion of Libya was something that communist support because uhhhh Trump”/s
I mean yes both Dems and Republicans are capitalist imperialists who are never reformable and will forever be capitalist imperialists, however while the revolution hasn’t happened yet it is important to vote Dems which takes barely any effort.
Conservatives straight up are threatening the lives of minority groups and LGBTQ on an entirely different scale than democrats and life for me as a minority living in the US has gotten significantly worse since trump.
It is idealistic to just not vote or vote for some 3rd party that never wins while real shit has been ramping up for people like me from the republican side (and yes I know Dems do it too and are also bigoted racists but again Republicans do it on a whole nother scale).
Democrats have been in power in that time! Dems are complicit!
What do they actually, materially, do? Do they just talk about protection without following through?
Voting does not stop anything. It is not important.
I’ll still do it, some, but it doesn’t stop what’s coming for all of us.
The Dems just want donations, they don’t want to help anyone.
I think voting in local elections is still generally a good idea as I’ve found often there is actually a good amount of difference in what the candidates can accomplish (like some who won in my city have been working to pull city funding from homesless shelters)
I dig voting in local elections as “generally a good idea”, I still do it.
I just don’t see voting on bourgeois elections as very important - substantial change is never on the table.
Oh absolutely. I only said the thing about the local elections cause I would rather things be better in the things local elections will actually change in the meantime before we can have a reolution
I agree!
They materially exist to at least slow down the more extreme racist and bigoted narratives and policies being pushed by Republicans. If democrats didn’t exist and this nations as purely Republicans we would be seeing the LGBTQ community being thrown in camps already.
Let’s go with your theory that voting doesn’t stop or alleviate any issues. Republican power has only been growing due to worsening conditions, and fascism is preferable to socialism in the eyes of the majority of the brainwashed reactionaries living here. We don’t help vote cause “voting doesn’t matter” and let Republicans win over and take every seat. The spineless dem will give in and join their side, and now we got a race of who can get more extreme right.
By the way conservatives are much more likely to vote than disillusioned Democrats. And they will vote in droves for their fascist leaders.
You already see this in republican circles already where they have really started sliding further right at an unprecedented scale. And just look at all the policies being passed in Florida, it is not looking good.
Anyone who thinks worsening conditions will lead to a communist revolution over a fascist one is not paying attention to the reactionary preference for fascism in this nation.
This does not bode well for marginalized communities. You may not give a shit but I do, as my own life has been severely negatively impacted ever since the trump presidency.
The only people who would have no fear of a republican take over are straight and white.
Do they actually do this?
There are already people in camps in the U$. They are just not people you care about. Many of them were placed there under the aegis of Dem politicians.
There are already marginalized people in camps. You’re just ok with that. The Trump presidency is over, and the bad things that are happening now are under a Dem president. The Dems do not materially ease the suffering.
Amerikkka has always been as bad as 1940’s fascism. Voting will never change that.
Since voting doesn’t matter vote republican next election.
Homie, that’s only a substantive dig to you because you think voting in the U$ is meaningful.
That doesn’t support your argument or defend against mine.
If the left guarantees dems our votes then they will only move further right to get anti-trump right-wingers’ reluctant votes. They will only be pressured to not be as bad as republicans if we pressure them by not “voting blue no matter who.”
That’s purely speculation. I can also speculate that by letting Republicans win, the spineless Dems are just gonna join the winning side and swap over. Plenty have already done so or became libertarians who are just mini republicans. If popular support is on the side of the more extreme right then everyone moves further right. You can literally see this effect in CNN where they have increasingly worse narratives sliding towards the fascist right.
By the way the same Republicans are portraying the LGBTQ community as associated with groomers and also happen to have the gun nuts on their side. At least democrats don’t actively do that. Republicans have been sliding real fast towards an even more extreme right ever since the trump presidency.
But sure both are equal and let’s not vote and let Republicans win every seat. Definitely not gona have a worsening affect marginalized communities.
This acts like the democrats do anything else. They didn’t codify Roe. They didn’t stop the migrant concentration camps. They haven’t stopped states from persecuting trans people. They didn’t stop the us from invading Afganistan. They didn’t pull out of Iraq. They didn’t stop the US from militarizing Somalia. They didn’t stop the US from finding fascist Ukraine.
Ok then vote republican next election. Since it doesn’t matter.
That’s not a particularly civil thing to say and only tells me you have no interest in having a productive conversation but only want to be rude and argumentative
i really thought this was going to end with a /s
damn
Actually, none of these endorse a single Democrat.
I have nothing to lie about. 😜
Uh huh, what does “we will not settle for the both parties are the same”, line mean?
Also, “Vote Hillary Clinton” is not endorsing a Democrat? You never even opened the link did you?
This seems opposed to revolutions (https://www.cpusa.org/interact_cpusa/do-we-need-an-armed-response-to-the-fascist-threat/)