first of all, the whole article reeks of bias and entitlement. “I don’t like VR so other people shouldn’t have it!!”
then, it all sounds like this guy never even tried any VR headset, or maybe he puked copiously after his first test.
and he’s constantly baiting and switching: “tim cook only interest is in squeezing money from us rather than releasing new products!!”, and right after “tim cook released a new product and it SUCKS!! even my mother said it!”
I bought a Rift CV1 in 2016, I’ve been waiting for some real VR since the first time I tested a rudimentary headset at a tech convention in 1996 playing Doom and some other VR game. it’s sick. I love it. I spent 10 hours a day in the headset during the first month, then I discovered simracing and it was an absolute blast. But the CV1 suffered the lack of direction outside of gaming. the screens were way too low resolution, it needed a powerful PC, it needed cameras, it needed joysticks, had no pass through so all of this stuff really didn’t make it for an optimal experience outside of gaming. I’ve ever since dreamed a way to use VR to work, and it seems like apple did it… or at least is in the process to.
Apple is not Google, so the Vision Pro is not going away. they’ll keep on refining it and bring it forward because that’s the future. you can’t judge it by now, we’re 5-10 years ahead of mass adoption of this tech, but we can already see what’s going to become.
unfortunately the tech suffered a big, big blowback caused by the boom of cryptocurrencies… we’ve all been waiting for more powerful graphic cards in order to cheaply manage VR, but nVidia was more concerned about making easy bucks selling to bitcoin farms rather than serving their loyal customers… and so VR took a hit around 2020 due to lack of cheap availability.
Facebook created the quest in order to detach their product from the whims of a terrible company like Nvidia, and that has somehow helped. but the Quest is and remains an entertainment product, not something that you can rely on for working.
I think the Vision Pro will be a revolution for those doing 3D modeling, or even programming. When the guy in the article says “you’ll get isolated in your tech!!” I think he knows he’s full of bullshit, because cubicles DO exist and people working at a PC screen is now more isolated than ever.
maybe his job is typing rants from the couch of a hotel on his iphone?
That and the price is the problem, in my opinion at least. What it can do looks quite impressive I think and has some nice ideas not really done commercially at the consumer level before.
But, I suspect it’ll be another iPhone. It will rule the roost for a short time and then someone will come out with a comparable product, for noticeably less that will work with other hardware too and connect with other non-apple software.
But, I guess for those in the ecosystem (who already have big pockets already for this kind of thing) it looks really good.
I don’t know. I saw some reviews, and in the consumer space at least I’m not aware of a device that is putting stuff in shared space fixed in a location and can make virtual screens with the rest of your vision maintained. It’s these things I expect to be copied and homogenised pretty quickly.
Tried the Vision at the mall today, though, and it’s pretty awesome. I had an experience I’ve never had in VR yet - when shown heights, my body actually reacted as if it was real.
To lock customers in, to make others feel excluded, all leading to more profits… It’s simple, everything they do is to try and make you buy their shit by making it inoperable with everything else…
This made me laugh out loud. Apple doesn’t give a shit if you or anyone else feels excluded. They are not sitting around thinking about how to exclude people rofl. Allowing a product to make me feel excluded is wild as fuck.
Yes they want you to buy their product so they make their other products work well with each other. OMG like OMG. What a business idea.
I wrote out a bunch of other stuff explaining how designing and engineering works well if it’s focused and can be good but damn it’s not worth it. Sorry you can’t see light through the bubble.
Yeah, I’ve said this plenty times before, there’s no reasoning with the dick riders. They love to be abused and will die defending their megacorp God. It’s pretty pointless… It’s like arguing with an Elon rider…
It’s crazy to me how many of you people don’t understand this - most people like the walled garden. It’s fine if it’s not for us techies. That’s not who it’s for.
I don’t think people like the walled garden. I think they don’t know what it is even. They assume they can’t buy a competitors headset/watch/tv because it won’t work, and often they’re probably right because apple refuses use open protocols. But I don’t think they draw the line between the two. It’s not because of apple refusing to implement something it doesn’t work. It’s because “the competitor is bad”, or because they don’t have the “deep integration” between the two or something. It never occurs to them that if you just make the API public it suddenly “just works” for everyone.
Maybe it’s because us people hate corporate loyalty and anti consumer practices. And corporations are like lemmings, they see one company doing it and they all wanna follow.
Walled gardens are inherantly designed to exclude communities and drive classism. Want to view this picture? Sorry you can’t because you dsint pay the fee. Want to chat with this group? Sorry were going to make inconvienent to everyone involved that you didn’t pay the fee.
The end goal is to split people up into have and have nots in order to drive desire for your product with little thougt given to the poorer communies it disenfranchises. Your attitude is the boomer “fuck you. Got mine” one.
That’s one opinion. The other is that I like that all my devices operate seamlessly with each other and save me time and aggravation. I like that I can give my parents Apple products and not worry about them downloading things that might compromise their data or mess up their devices. The fact that limits exist is exactly what I like about Apple products. When I pick them up, they work.
I say this as a current and previous owner of multiple PCs that I built myself and multiple Android devices. I used to love dicking around with all that stuff. Now I just need it to work and I need it to be secure and reliable. I get that with Apple products. I don’t get that with Linux, Windows, or Android anymore.
You’re an insufferable asshole man, argumentative and aggressive, and aggressively defending one of the worst tech companies around… But whatever, you do you…
Guess what? I don’t subscribe to either. I cancelled Netflix after that nonsense and I cancelled Disney 2 days ago. Live by your principles. You whining like a mule on Lemmy does nothing.
Yeah that’s not correct. Facebook bought into the oculus project in a share swap/cash deal with Lucky Palmer. Carmack joined the project later because he believes in VR in a big way and he contributed very important parts of the rendering methods to greatly improve performance.
Carmack was interested in making his own VR headset prototype to show off at e3. He found Palmer Luckey on mtbs3d, showing interest in Palmer’s headset prototypes. Carmack duct taped some hardware together with Luckey’s headset and made a demo to show off at e3 2012. Carmack was absolutely responsible for kick-starting VR to where it is today, with the help of Palmer.
oh god, where do I even start?
first of all, the whole article reeks of bias and entitlement. “I don’t like VR so other people shouldn’t have it!!”
then, it all sounds like this guy never even tried any VR headset, or maybe he puked copiously after his first test.
and he’s constantly baiting and switching: “tim cook only interest is in squeezing money from us rather than releasing new products!!”, and right after “tim cook released a new product and it SUCKS!! even my mother said it!”
I bought a Rift CV1 in 2016, I’ve been waiting for some real VR since the first time I tested a rudimentary headset at a tech convention in 1996 playing Doom and some other VR game. it’s sick. I love it. I spent 10 hours a day in the headset during the first month, then I discovered simracing and it was an absolute blast. But the CV1 suffered the lack of direction outside of gaming. the screens were way too low resolution, it needed a powerful PC, it needed cameras, it needed joysticks, had no pass through so all of this stuff really didn’t make it for an optimal experience outside of gaming. I’ve ever since dreamed a way to use VR to work, and it seems like apple did it… or at least is in the process to.
Apple is not Google, so the Vision Pro is not going away. they’ll keep on refining it and bring it forward because that’s the future. you can’t judge it by now, we’re 5-10 years ahead of mass adoption of this tech, but we can already see what’s going to become.
unfortunately the tech suffered a big, big blowback caused by the boom of cryptocurrencies… we’ve all been waiting for more powerful graphic cards in order to cheaply manage VR, but nVidia was more concerned about making easy bucks selling to bitcoin farms rather than serving their loyal customers… and so VR took a hit around 2020 due to lack of cheap availability.
Facebook created the quest in order to detach their product from the whims of a terrible company like Nvidia, and that has somehow helped. but the Quest is and remains an entertainment product, not something that you can rely on for working.
I think the Vision Pro will be a revolution for those doing 3D modeling, or even programming. When the guy in the article says “you’ll get isolated in your tech!!” I think he knows he’s full of bullshit, because cubicles DO exist and people working at a PC screen is now more isolated than ever.
maybe his job is typing rants from the couch of a hotel on his iphone?
Good or not, it’ll always be a walled garden, so supporting them just promotes their bullshit.
That and the price is the problem, in my opinion at least. What it can do looks quite impressive I think and has some nice ideas not really done commercially at the consumer level before.
But, I suspect it’ll be another iPhone. It will rule the roost for a short time and then someone will come out with a comparable product, for noticeably less that will work with other hardware too and connect with other non-apple software.
But, I guess for those in the ecosystem (who already have big pockets already for this kind of thing) it looks really good.
There’s already competing products just like with the iPhone. If this thing succeeds, it will succeed despite that, not because of it.
I don’t know. I saw some reviews, and in the consumer space at least I’m not aware of a device that is putting stuff in shared space fixed in a location and can make virtual screens with the rest of your vision maintained. It’s these things I expect to be copied and homogenised pretty quickly.
There are apps for the Quest that can do that.
Tried the Vision at the mall today, though, and it’s pretty awesome. I had an experience I’ve never had in VR yet - when shown heights, my body actually reacted as if it was real.
You people crack me up. Such a small little bubble you live in while pointing fingers about being in a bubble.
If you can’t see the purpose of an eco system that sucks.
To lock customers in, to make others feel excluded, all leading to more profits… It’s simple, everything they do is to try and make you buy their shit by making it inoperable with everything else…
I completely forgot about this thread.
This made me laugh out loud. Apple doesn’t give a shit if you or anyone else feels excluded. They are not sitting around thinking about how to exclude people rofl. Allowing a product to make me feel excluded is wild as fuck.
Yes they want you to buy their product so they make their other products work well with each other. OMG like OMG. What a business idea.
I wrote out a bunch of other stuff explaining how designing and engineering works well if it’s focused and can be good but damn it’s not worth it. Sorry you can’t see light through the bubble.
Sorry you’re riding that Apple dick so hard 🤷🏻♀️
lol can’t even formulate a reasoned argument. Go right into that insulting. Sound like a trumper.
Yeah, I’ve said this plenty times before, there’s no reasoning with the dick riders. They love to be abused and will die defending their megacorp God. It’s pretty pointless… It’s like arguing with an Elon rider…
Wow. You’re really really sad. I feel bad for your parents for having to raise you.
It’s crazy to me how many of you people don’t understand this - most people like the walled garden. It’s fine if it’s not for us techies. That’s not who it’s for.
I don’t think people like the walled garden. I think they don’t know what it is even. They assume they can’t buy a competitors headset/watch/tv because it won’t work, and often they’re probably right because apple refuses use open protocols. But I don’t think they draw the line between the two. It’s not because of apple refusing to implement something it doesn’t work. It’s because “the competitor is bad”, or because they don’t have the “deep integration” between the two or something. It never occurs to them that if you just make the API public it suddenly “just works” for everyone.
Maybe it’s because us people hate corporate loyalty and anti consumer practices. And corporations are like lemmings, they see one company doing it and they all wanna follow.
Then don’t buy their products. It’s just weird to me that people want to complain so incessantly about a garden they don’t have to live in.
Walled gardens are inherantly designed to exclude communities and drive classism. Want to view this picture? Sorry you can’t because you dsint pay the fee. Want to chat with this group? Sorry were going to make inconvienent to everyone involved that you didn’t pay the fee.
The end goal is to split people up into have and have nots in order to drive desire for your product with little thougt given to the poorer communies it disenfranchises. Your attitude is the boomer “fuck you. Got mine” one.
That’s one opinion. The other is that I like that all my devices operate seamlessly with each other and save me time and aggravation. I like that I can give my parents Apple products and not worry about them downloading things that might compromise their data or mess up their devices. The fact that limits exist is exactly what I like about Apple products. When I pick them up, they work.
I say this as a current and previous owner of multiple PCs that I built myself and multiple Android devices. I used to love dicking around with all that stuff. Now I just need it to work and I need it to be secure and reliable. I get that with Apple products. I don’t get that with Linux, Windows, or Android anymore.
Read the last part of what I said…
Why? It’s meaningless. Don’t buy the copycat products, then. The only reason they exist is because people buy them.
dOn’T bUy thE CopYCaT PrOduCtS…
Remember how Netflix cracked down on password sharing? Well just don’t have a Netflix subscription… Problem solved right?
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/hulu-disney-password-crackdown-kills-account-sharing-on-march-14/
Oh wait, what’s that, corporate copycats?
You’re an insufferable asshole man, argumentative and aggressive, and aggressively defending one of the worst tech companies around… But whatever, you do you…
Guess what? I don’t subscribe to either. I cancelled Netflix after that nonsense and I cancelled Disney 2 days ago. Live by your principles. You whining like a mule on Lemmy does nothing.
The irony of your response is hilarious.
Facebook didn’t create shit. They bought the Quest. They bought hyper-evolved, time-traveling 4th dimensional being, actual fucking rocket scientist, benevolent hyperintelligent architect of the post-singularity simulation we all live in, John Carmack, and then he got sick of the Meta bullshit and left.
Yeah that’s not correct. Facebook bought into the oculus project in a share swap/cash deal with Lucky Palmer. Carmack joined the project later because he believes in VR in a big way and he contributed very important parts of the rendering methods to greatly improve performance.
Carmack was interested in making his own VR headset prototype to show off at e3. He found Palmer Luckey on mtbs3d, showing interest in Palmer’s headset prototypes. Carmack duct taped some hardware together with Luckey’s headset and made a demo to show off at e3 2012. Carmack was absolutely responsible for kick-starting VR to where it is today, with the help of Palmer.
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Exactly this. What a terrible exercise in reductionism.