I find it a bit ironic how so many people are pointing out how “growing is important to federation” specifically in reference to this… but at the same time, beehaw are one of the few sites that are against growth (as can bee seen by their requiring to get approved in order to join their server… which IMO is no better or worse than tilde’s invite requirement)… and, given the timing, it would seem that they are against hosting reddit refugees in particular.
Yes, you can claim it is for keeping beehaw’s site stable or curating users or plenty of other more palatable reasons. But at the end of the day, you are still turning users away. I have a lot of respect for kbin not closing its doors to new users, despite the load it is placing on their infrastructure.
Personally, I wouldn’t mind one bit if kbin/beehaw were defederated from each other (not advocating for it, just saying I wouldn’t care whatsoever if it happened on its own)
Which, honestly, I respect. If you know you can’t support growth then don’t push for it. Huge props to Ernest for dealing appropriately with the growth of kbin.social but I also approve of Beehaw’s approach - namely: we aren’t ready for that kind of growth right now so we aren’t going to let it happen.
I expect something similar will have to be put in place here at kbin as well sooner or later. Eventually we will run up against a limit of what Ernest can do being but a single man with but a single pair of hands.
You’re welcome to have your own opinions. But I think actions speak louder than words
And so far, based on their actions, IMO they are being a bit elitist. They can prioritize whatever they want… But by doing so, it becomes clear that they are not interested in the users leaving reddit, so I will not pity them when those users end up elsewhere.
Then again, I am not in the “p.c. language” camp - as anyone who bothered to read my screen name can tell immediately - and am probably not in the demographic they’re going for anyway.
wow, much generous. it’s not “my opinion” though, it’s something Beehaw’s owners have stated multiple times over the past however long have I had an account there.
But I think actions speak louder than words
you mean, like an action of not prioritizing growth?
it becomes clear that they are not interested in the users leaving reddit
they’re interested in forming their own community. they’re not trying to become a replacement for reddit and never have.
it’s not “my opinion” though, it’s something Beehaw’s owners have stated multiple times over the past however long have I had an account there.
Your opinion or theirs. It’s obvious that you agree with it. I’m not trying to persuade you to have a different opinion. I really don’t care.
I do appreciate you not hiding the fact that you are a member there.
But my point is that just because they give some rationale that sounds good at first glance, that doesn’t mean that I am incorrect either.
I think any group that is restricting registration of new users - regardless of their goals or justification - is being elitist because it is restricting to only people some select few in charge deem “worthy” or in some cases, such as tildes random invite drops with extremely short time-windows, are more likely to gather users in particular time zones/regions. Maybe you dislike me using the term “elitist” for this but to my thinking, they are essentially trying to create echo chambers and are considering large segments of the Internet population as undesirables. They can put a marketing spin on that and call it “weeding out racists” or creating a safe space whatever they want but it doesn’t change the underlying facts. I see plenty of sites that avoid these kind of things without resorting to such exclusionary tactics.
And if this comes across as me trying to pin that solely on beehaw, that’s not my intent. I feel equally so about tildes. Again, you may disagree. That’s fine. I don’t care either way. I am very passionate about free speech, even for those I dislike and disagree with. And it is less that I wish to look down on beehaw/tildes/etc and more that currently, my opinion of them is that they are promoting censored communities, which is something I am opposed to. Perhaps that isn’t actually the case, or maybe they will change things. My opinion isn’t set in stone, and I am happy to revise it if and when new information presents itself. But as things stand now, that is how I see things.
Heh good one. Meant it more in the sense that they would probably not allow such a name there but yes, let’s go with me trying to be “edgy” ;-)
Anyway, as I said in my previous comment, I am not advocating to defederate with them. But if they later get butthurt about something on kbin and decide to defederate us, I doubt that I would even spare it a thought.
I find it a bit ironic how so many people are pointing out how “growing is important to federation” specifically in reference to this… but at the same time, beehaw are one of the few sites that are against growth (as can bee seen by their requiring to get approved in order to join their server… which IMO is no better or worse than tilde’s invite requirement)… and, given the timing, it would seem that they are against hosting reddit refugees in particular.
Yes, you can claim it is for keeping beehaw’s site stable or curating users or plenty of other more palatable reasons. But at the end of the day, you are still turning users away. I have a lot of respect for kbin not closing its doors to new users, despite the load it is placing on their infrastructure.
Personally, I wouldn’t mind one bit if kbin/beehaw were defederated from each other (not advocating for it, just saying I wouldn’t care whatsoever if it happened on its own)
You can be for growth and against unchecked growth. The two are not the same.
they’re not against growth, it’s just not their priority and they don’t want to achieve it at any cost.
Which, honestly, I respect. If you know you can’t support growth then don’t push for it. Huge props to Ernest for dealing appropriately with the growth of kbin.social but I also approve of Beehaw’s approach - namely: we aren’t ready for that kind of growth right now so we aren’t going to let it happen.
I expect something similar will have to be put in place here at kbin as well sooner or later. Eventually we will run up against a limit of what Ernest can do being but a single man with but a single pair of hands.
You’re welcome to have your own opinions. But I think actions speak louder than words
And so far, based on their actions, IMO they are being a bit elitist. They can prioritize whatever they want… But by doing so, it becomes clear that they are not interested in the users leaving reddit, so I will not pity them when those users end up elsewhere.
Then again, I am not in the “p.c. language” camp - as anyone who bothered to read my screen name can tell immediately - and am probably not in the demographic they’re going for anyway.
wow, much generous. it’s not “my opinion” though, it’s something Beehaw’s owners have stated multiple times over the past however long have I had an account there.
you mean, like an action of not prioritizing growth?
they’re interested in forming their own community. they’re not trying to become a replacement for reddit and never have.
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Your opinion or theirs. It’s obvious that you agree with it. I’m not trying to persuade you to have a different opinion. I really don’t care.
I do appreciate you not hiding the fact that you are a member there.
But my point is that just because they give some rationale that sounds good at first glance, that doesn’t mean that I am incorrect either.
I think any group that is restricting registration of new users - regardless of their goals or justification - is being elitist because it is restricting to only people some select few in charge deem “worthy” or in some cases, such as tildes random invite drops with extremely short time-windows, are more likely to gather users in particular time zones/regions. Maybe you dislike me using the term “elitist” for this but to my thinking, they are essentially trying to create echo chambers and are considering large segments of the Internet population as undesirables. They can put a marketing spin on that and call it “weeding out racists” or creating a safe space whatever they want but it doesn’t change the underlying facts. I see plenty of sites that avoid these kind of things without resorting to such exclusionary tactics.
And if this comes across as me trying to pin that solely on beehaw, that’s not my intent. I feel equally so about tildes. Again, you may disagree. That’s fine. I don’t care either way. I am very passionate about free speech, even for those I dislike and disagree with. And it is less that I wish to look down on beehaw/tildes/etc and more that currently, my opinion of them is that they are promoting censored communities, which is something I am opposed to. Perhaps that isn’t actually the case, or maybe they will change things. My opinion isn’t set in stone, and I am happy to revise it if and when new information presents itself. But as things stand now, that is how I see things.
Heh good one. Meant it more in the sense that they would probably not allow such a name there but yes, let’s go with me trying to be “edgy” ;-)
Anyway, as I said in my previous comment, I am not advocating to defederate with them. But if they later get butthurt about something on kbin and decide to defederate us, I doubt that I would even spare it a thought.
Edit: typos
nevermind
If you are referring to this
then, unless you have some insider knowledge, I think you may be mistaken. kbin and beehaw are not defederated … at least not yet.
federated = joined in an alliance, e.g. linked
defederated = not federated, e.g. blocked / censored / not linked
source: https://beehaw.org/instances
oh my bad I misread
Where do you see this at? I see plenty of beehaw posts still so curious.
I misread, sorry for misinformation.