Nex Benedict died one day after a fight in a school bathroom. Their mother Sue Benedict tells Bevan Hurley that the gender fluid teenager endured more than a year of abuse simply for being who they were
Can you point out what that person said that was transphobic? From the reply it just seems like that they were pointing out that a toxicology report is something that’s fairly routine. What did I miss?
It’s pretty common to see transphobes wading into this sort of stuff with the same kind of arguments that racists use about police murdering black people, etc. That support of the system because the system is oppressing a minority they don’t like kind of thing where they turn a blind eye to any context.
I’m not gonna wade into that kind of debate, but to me, the big issue is what I saw somebody else say: that the police aren’t even going to consider whether or not a crime was committed until after they get the toxicology report, despite knowing that the person in question was assaulted like the day before.
Like the cops, focusing on the toxicology report alone is an easy way to erase everything else about what happened. Having a toxicology done isn’t transphobic, but focusing only on that and when it comes back clean, ruling it as a freak accident and not following up on the assault? That would be transphobic as hell and wouldn’t be the first or last time the cops did something like that.
Here’s my issue, when you call someone a transphobe (or racist, or pedophile, etc) when they haven’t actually been transphobic, you water down the meaning. It just becomes a thing you say that lost it’s meaning, rather than the big deal it is.
that the police aren’t even going to consider whether or not a crime was committed until after they get the toxicology report, despite knowing that the person in question was assaulted like the day before.
Why would they before they finish investigating? What’s the charge? Simple assault, assault and battery, manslaughter, negligent homicide, second degree murder? If you don’t have all the facts you can’t charge them properly.
Maybe the police have an interest in burying the charges, but if you don’t know that, you shouldn’t claim it. Because the best way to secure a conviction is to thoroughly investigate first, then bring charges once the information has been gathered. Anything else is laying the groundwork for a defense attorney.
Like the cops, focusing on the toxicology report alone is an easy way to erase everything else about what happened. Having a toxicology done isn’t transphobic, but focusing only on that and when it comes back clean, ruling it as a freak accident and not following up on the assault? That would be transphobic as hell
Ok, agreed. But that hasn’t happened yet. Reacting to something that hasn’t happened just allows other people to ignore you and your concerns about trans rights. I would caution against that approach. If they don’t take action once the info is in, or blame the victim, then you get mad as hell. Best of luck!
Yeah, when I said that I wasn’t gonna wade into the argument, I meant on whether or not they were actually being transphobic, because that one line simply isn’t enough to say what their motivation is.
As for the cops, the issue is that they’re doing a toxicology, but not following up on the assault in any form. They could be investigating that as well while they wait on the report, but they’re actively holding off on doing that.
The included insult, however mild, must be seen as an attempt to denigrate QUESTIONING the police methods, as if the environment was “obviously” fair and balanced. He might have not meant it that way, but even then it’s an example of the moderate being the true enemy of the oppressed. So it’s either a tactic, siding with a fascist system or at best inconsiderate.
The included insult, however mild, must be seen as an attempt to denigrate QUESTIONING the police
No it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous to insist it must be viewed in that manner. That’s your reductionist view.
He might have not meant it that way,
So he may not have meant it that way, but we must view it that way? Absolutely insane take.
but even then it’s an example of the moderate being the true enemy of the oppressed. So it’s either a tactic, siding with a fascist system or at best inconsiderate.
Here’s the real issue, you’ve created a litmus test that no one is pure enough to meet. Rather than accepting allies for trans rights, you want to push them away. If they aren’t as reactionary and reductionist as you then they must be the enemy. Truly alarming. You’re the problem, you allow the “moderates” (as you call them), who might otherwise support trans rights to oppose them by pushing them out and calling them transphobic.
I’m not calling anybody anything, I’m criticizing a behavior. And someone called the comment transphobic, not the poster.
So he may not have meant it that way, but we must view it that way? Absolutely insane take.
It’s about how fascist strategy works. And part of that is an appeal to order for the moderates. This book (excepts) talks a lot about this stuff.
This is a life-or-death fight against fascism. Literally in this case. But the fascists won’t stop with trans people.
There is a very clear fascist movement that is rapidly growing in strength in the US. First the rhetoric, the attacks on teachers, the bullying, then physical violence, the maliciousness or incompetence of the school, now a 16 year old kid is dead. Then the police are waiting and then say her sudden death had nothing to do with the attack.
Maybe the police is right? Or maybe they are biased or maybe they are fascist?
Reading all this makes people sad and angry they criticizes the police.
Now someone calls him a dingbat for jumping to conclusions.
His remarks (not the person) are being called out as transphobic.
And THAT enrages you THAT creates this outrage in you of how awful it is to get angry at people who push back against outrage at the police. Not the death, not the police makes you angry, but this incredibly injustice! This is what you chose to make comments about.
It’s the presumption that the police system works as intended and should work like this and shouldn’t be criticized. Coupled with an insult. It’s outrageous. I’m not calling it transphobic, I’m calling it the “negative peace” that moderates prefer (see MLK about white moderates) and works in support of fascism.
It is… oh boy. I have only been twice since my friend has a metal band that plays there sometimes. I never knew and I doubt he knows that as well since he is definitely not into that either.
Not really, but do go on with your transphobic remarks.
Can you point out what that person said that was transphobic? From the reply it just seems like that they were pointing out that a toxicology report is something that’s fairly routine. What did I miss?
It’s pretty common to see transphobes wading into this sort of stuff with the same kind of arguments that racists use about police murdering black people, etc. That support of the system because the system is oppressing a minority they don’t like kind of thing where they turn a blind eye to any context.
I’m not gonna wade into that kind of debate, but to me, the big issue is what I saw somebody else say: that the police aren’t even going to consider whether or not a crime was committed until after they get the toxicology report, despite knowing that the person in question was assaulted like the day before.
Like the cops, focusing on the toxicology report alone is an easy way to erase everything else about what happened. Having a toxicology done isn’t transphobic, but focusing only on that and when it comes back clean, ruling it as a freak accident and not following up on the assault? That would be transphobic as hell and wouldn’t be the first or last time the cops did something like that.
Here’s my issue, when you call someone a transphobe (or racist, or pedophile, etc) when they haven’t actually been transphobic, you water down the meaning. It just becomes a thing you say that lost it’s meaning, rather than the big deal it is.
Why would they before they finish investigating? What’s the charge? Simple assault, assault and battery, manslaughter, negligent homicide, second degree murder? If you don’t have all the facts you can’t charge them properly.
Maybe the police have an interest in burying the charges, but if you don’t know that, you shouldn’t claim it. Because the best way to secure a conviction is to thoroughly investigate first, then bring charges once the information has been gathered. Anything else is laying the groundwork for a defense attorney.
Ok, agreed. But that hasn’t happened yet. Reacting to something that hasn’t happened just allows other people to ignore you and your concerns about trans rights. I would caution against that approach. If they don’t take action once the info is in, or blame the victim, then you get mad as hell. Best of luck!
Yeah, when I said that I wasn’t gonna wade into the argument, I meant on whether or not they were actually being transphobic, because that one line simply isn’t enough to say what their motivation is.
As for the cops, the issue is that they’re doing a toxicology, but not following up on the assault in any form. They could be investigating that as well while they wait on the report, but they’re actively holding off on doing that.
The included insult, however mild, must be seen as an attempt to denigrate QUESTIONING the police methods, as if the environment was “obviously” fair and balanced. He might have not meant it that way, but even then it’s an example of the moderate being the true enemy of the oppressed. So it’s either a tactic, siding with a fascist system or at best inconsiderate.
No it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous to insist it must be viewed in that manner. That’s your reductionist view.
So he may not have meant it that way, but we must view it that way? Absolutely insane take.
Here’s the real issue, you’ve created a litmus test that no one is pure enough to meet. Rather than accepting allies for trans rights, you want to push them away. If they aren’t as reactionary and reductionist as you then they must be the enemy. Truly alarming. You’re the problem, you allow the “moderates” (as you call them), who might otherwise support trans rights to oppose them by pushing them out and calling them transphobic.
I’m not calling anybody anything, I’m criticizing a behavior. And someone called the comment transphobic, not the poster.
It’s about how fascist strategy works. And part of that is an appeal to order for the moderates. This book (excepts) talks a lot about this stuff.
This is a life-or-death fight against fascism. Literally in this case. But the fascists won’t stop with trans people.
There is a very clear fascist movement that is rapidly growing in strength in the US. First the rhetoric, the attacks on teachers, the bullying, then physical violence, the maliciousness or incompetence of the school, now a 16 year old kid is dead. Then the police are waiting and then say her sudden death had nothing to do with the attack.
Maybe the police is right? Or maybe they are biased or maybe they are fascist?
Reading all this makes people sad and angry they criticizes the police.
Now someone calls him a dingbat for jumping to conclusions.
His remarks (not the person) are being called out as transphobic.
And THAT enrages you THAT creates this outrage in you of how awful it is to get angry at people who push back against outrage at the police. Not the death, not the police makes you angry, but this incredibly injustice! This is what you chose to make comments about.
It’s the presumption that the police system works as intended and should work like this and shouldn’t be criticized. Coupled with an insult. It’s outrageous. I’m not calling it transphobic, I’m calling it the “negative peace” that moderates prefer (see MLK about white moderates) and works in support of fascism.
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Was gonna upvote, but you really went overboard with the insults there so I had to upvote twice
Lol, cockmongrel
When did ‘dingbat’ become transphobic?
Has ‘dingbat’ become a new epithet for trans people?
Because it apparently originally was the name of an alcoholic drink and has been used to describe a stupid person since 1905.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/dingbat
Care to tell us where you heard that the word was transphobic?
It’s also a style of architecture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingbat_(building)
That’s unfortunate for the small local music and dive bar near me called dingbatz then…
Maybe it’s named after the printer’s ornament?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingbat
If it’s in Clifton, those guys support white power bands 😕
It is… oh boy. I have only been twice since my friend has a metal band that plays there sometimes. I never knew and I doubt he knows that as well since he is definitely not into that either.
Yeah, it’s definitely not as widely-known a thing as it should be. Plenty of perfectly respectable bands play there too, still… but also some Nazis
What part of what they said is transphobic?
OH NOW YOU TOO HUH
/s
It’s funny, because I literally just left a thread in which I was agreeing with them and then I saw the notification of your comment.
Impressive amount of downvotes. Troll successful, I guess