it absolutely occurred. fuck, where I was, the hospitals were already having yellow alerts (where they are full and cannot take new patients, so they have to be redirected), due to understaffing.
Then they had to deal with covid. Yeah, the vaccine worked amazingly well. So did lockdowns and travel restrictions.
2.5 million people, zero covid deaths in 2021.
Yes, I am happy about it. Go check Nikkei’s report on best recovering countries from COVID-19 we are 7th, you are probably from the US which was ranked 87th and with a much smaller death rate too than your “free” country. Keeping in mind people in the US had access to the vaccine before us, but many chose to enjoy the freedom of catching COVID instead.
In this study, vaccinated Omicron index case-patients seemed to have the same transmission capacity as nonvaccinated persons. We did not find this increased transmission capacity for the Delta variant, where significant differences in SAR were observed in global, household, and occupational settings (Table 1) within groups.
How one variant interacts with vaccination does not describe how every variant does; your own study is, at best, documenting an exeception to the rule that vaccines work.
They have shown high efficacy against these endpoints in experimental and observational studies (1–13). Evidence suggests that these vaccines also prevent infection (5, 14–18) and potentially reduce transmission (19–23), albeit with smaller effects against the highly transmissible Omicron variant compared with wildtype severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and earlier variants (24–26).
The exception is Omicron, and evidently isn’t a complete exception anyway.
In addition, as this was a conversation originally about vaccine mandates, one of the first mandates in the US was put into effect ~2 months before Omicron was reported in Nov. 2021. So even if no vaccine or booster did anything to stop transmission of Omicron, the mandates were fully justified given the vaccines definitely did reduce transmission and severity of variants prior to that.
Yeah it makes more sense for vaccines that are, well, better at being vaccines. Something like MMR that actually is effective enough to create hurd immunity. Small pox vaccine was so good it eradicated the disease completely. Covid vaccines are more like flu vaccines - sometimes they work sometimes they don’t. It’s still better than nothing for >95% of people. There are those who respond badly to the covid vaccine too, so it’s technically a gamble either way. While the science says it’s better odds to have the vaccine than not, I can’t force people to take that risk with me.
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Because it lessens the severity of the illness?
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God I haven’t missed this dumb argument in the last 2 years.
Did you consider that it was mandated so that idiots would get it and avoid clogging up hospitals unnecessarily?
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it absolutely occurred. fuck, where I was, the hospitals were already having yellow alerts (where they are full and cannot take new patients, so they have to be redirected), due to understaffing.
Then they had to deal with covid. Yeah, the vaccine worked amazingly well. So did lockdowns and travel restrictions. 2.5 million people, zero covid deaths in 2021.
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except that the mandates ensured that the few times the virus got out, its spread was limited.
vaccine mandates were, are and will always be necessary.
You don’t need “data” to form a logical conclusion from data you already have.
Therefore, mandates reduce the burden on hospitals.
I’m so glad to live in a country with mandatory vaccination where conspiracy theorists aren’t given a platform
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Yes, I am happy about it. Go check Nikkei’s report on best recovering countries from COVID-19 we are 7th, you are probably from the US which was ranked 87th and with a much smaller death rate too than your “free” country. Keeping in mind people in the US had access to the vaccine before us, but many chose to enjoy the freedom of catching COVID instead.
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2024 and I’m still seeing this shit? Shut the fuck up.
how stupid are you
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tbh i dont even know if you are the person i replied to because the context button still doesnt work XD
How one variant interacts with vaccination does not describe how every variant does; your own study is, at best, documenting an exeception to the rule that vaccines work.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10505422/#ref19
The exception is Omicron, and evidently isn’t a complete exception anyway.
In addition, as this was a conversation originally about vaccine mandates, one of the first mandates in the US was put into effect ~2 months before Omicron was reported in Nov. 2021. So even if no vaccine or booster did anything to stop transmission of Omicron, the mandates were fully justified given the vaccines definitely did reduce transmission and severity of variants prior to that.
Yeah it makes more sense for vaccines that are, well, better at being vaccines. Something like MMR that actually is effective enough to create hurd immunity. Small pox vaccine was so good it eradicated the disease completely. Covid vaccines are more like flu vaccines - sometimes they work sometimes they don’t. It’s still better than nothing for >95% of people. There are those who respond badly to the covid vaccine too, so it’s technically a gamble either way. While the science says it’s better odds to have the vaccine than not, I can’t force people to take that risk with me.
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