No one wants you to say, for example, “women and trans women”, that would be ridiculous,
Alright, glad we agree here but there certainly are people claiming to be their own gender (“non-binary”) or wanting me to refer to them as xe/xer and there is an ongoing debate about including extra asterisks in German words to signify the inclusion of extra genders.
I’m not asking for anyone to present themselves in any way, dress how you want. However, things like men participating in women’s sports competitions because they identify as a woman is not something I’m okay with. I have a question for you: If a gender is just something I identify with or choose, what meaning does one’s gender even have? Wouldn’t that make gender just some arbitrary group with literally zero meaning behind it?
And: If I claimed to be 100 years old and identified as such, would I be entitled to a senior citizens discount, in your opinion?
If you want to include all genders, like I said, just don’t use gendered words. The word people exists along with many others that can be used. For pronouns, unless you like actually know the person, pretty much everyone is going to be okay with they/them. If you know the person, you should try to use the pronouns they actually want which shouldn’t be hard since you know a fairly limited number of people.
As for sports, if you think trans women participating in women’s sports or trans men participating in men’s sports is unfair, you do not understand the effects of HRT. End of story.
Yes, gender is an arbitrary thing with no inherent meaning. We assign meaning to it as a society, and the empathetic choice is to go along with the meaning that doesn’t make people horribly uncomfortable living their lives. (Or to just get rid of the concept entirely, but that’s a debate for another time and I’m not entirely sure which side of it I would be on)
If you claimed to be 100 years old that would be completely different. Numbers are a much much more concrete concept than gender, and redefining them would have far too high of a cost (and, almost everyone gets to experience a wide range of ages already, so the benefits would be negligible). I would like to point out, however, that every 100 year old was born at age 0. Who we are born as does not define who we will be. If I buy a kit to make a table, and use the pieces to build a chair instead, I have a chair. It doesn’t matter that it was expected to become a table. It is a chair.
Using gender neutral words is easy enough in English but most languages don’t have a form like the generic “they” for a person whose gender one doesn’t know. This is a debate for another tiem though.
you do not understand the effects of HRT
Neither do you. Or can you prove to me that a “trans woman” athlete doesn’t have an advantage in any way? What exactly determines the point in time where they don’t anymore?
Yes, gender is an arbitrary thing with no inherent meaning. We assign meaning to it as a society
Alright, glad we agree here but there certainly are people claiming to be their own gender (“non-binary”) or wanting me to refer to them as xe/xer and there is an ongoing debate about including extra asterisks in German words to signify the inclusion of extra genders.
I’m not asking for anyone to present themselves in any way, dress how you want. However, things like men participating in women’s sports competitions because they identify as a woman is not something I’m okay with. I have a question for you: If a gender is just something I identify with or choose, what meaning does one’s gender even have? Wouldn’t that make gender just some arbitrary group with literally zero meaning behind it?
And: If I claimed to be 100 years old and identified as such, would I be entitled to a senior citizens discount, in your opinion?
If you want to include all genders, like I said, just don’t use gendered words. The word people exists along with many others that can be used. For pronouns, unless you like actually know the person, pretty much everyone is going to be okay with they/them. If you know the person, you should try to use the pronouns they actually want which shouldn’t be hard since you know a fairly limited number of people.
As for sports, if you think trans women participating in women’s sports or trans men participating in men’s sports is unfair, you do not understand the effects of HRT. End of story.
Yes, gender is an arbitrary thing with no inherent meaning. We assign meaning to it as a society, and the empathetic choice is to go along with the meaning that doesn’t make people horribly uncomfortable living their lives. (Or to just get rid of the concept entirely, but that’s a debate for another time and I’m not entirely sure which side of it I would be on)
If you claimed to be 100 years old that would be completely different. Numbers are a much much more concrete concept than gender, and redefining them would have far too high of a cost (and, almost everyone gets to experience a wide range of ages already, so the benefits would be negligible). I would like to point out, however, that every 100 year old was born at age 0. Who we are born as does not define who we will be. If I buy a kit to make a table, and use the pieces to build a chair instead, I have a chair. It doesn’t matter that it was expected to become a table. It is a chair.
Using gender neutral words is easy enough in English but most languages don’t have a form like the generic “they” for a person whose gender one doesn’t know. This is a debate for another tiem though.
Neither do you. Or can you prove to me that a “trans woman” athlete doesn’t have an advantage in any way? What exactly determines the point in time where they don’t anymore?
What meaning, for example, do we assign to it?