That’s an interesting idea. Though i think we must not underestimate internal Gazans cause. The HAMAS is basically running anti PA military dictatorship in Gaza enforcing an islamist rule through corruption of lower echelon political actors. The only way they managed to remain in power despite basically defrauding the UN and the Red Cross is by spreading the narrative “hey, we are yout heroic liberators (and everyone who disobeys us is a ******* jew)”. Not that they’re like the nazis, by “liberation” they mean “genocide”.
The problem is that the HAMAS is… not very good at freeing Palestine. The only way they attacked Israel before is through rocket bombardment using 250$ ammo. Problem is that they never got out to fight Tsahal. However their authoritarianism only strengthen with time meaning HAMAS was very not freeing palestine and very much oppressing palestinians. So people started asking question about what the hell all that military budget and requisition were for. So they planned a “boots on the ground mission”. This was supposed to be a show of force to make them look good. I’d even believen advisors suggested this idea. Except the main issue with the HAMAS is that, to them, all this garbage we call “guerilla”, “civil defense”, “policing”, “resistance”, “show of force” means the exact same thing : good ol’ ethnic cleansing.
And an ethnic cleansing on a population of 7 000 000 000. Which means if you’re an israeli citizens, yoiu likely have connections, be it former classmates or extended family, to a victim of the attack. this did not help with the Israeli state of mind rigth afterwards.
[](to show the world just how bad Israel can over-react)
That’s exactly where I think they should have stopped being insane nazi islamist and read actual books.
See I’m French, here we see U.S forces in WW2 as heroes, they are the “Libérateurs”, same for the Brits. You want to know what’s weird ? We do that, despite the fact the U.S.A.F sometimes entirely destoryed the wrong french cities. Yes that happen, for exemple in Royan. We know that, they killed our own peoples, the Liberation of France wa just american G.Is riding through France to enter Germany, but it doesn’t change our opinion. Why ? Because the Vichy Regime were a bunch of fascistic traitors whose stupid and submissive policies led us to this situation. Same thing for the IIIrd Reich who was occupying the country.
No one will side with the HAMAS, few will side with Gaza despite mainstream media broadcasting many pro-palestinian voices (because now that the war is on it’s cooler). Because people don’t like flat out ethnic cleansing and they especially dislikes when their perpetrators run countries
It’s a complicated history but even the Hamas Founding charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. The 2017 Revised charter accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised version. Hamas has committed atrocious acts, there’s no need to make things up about Hamas to show they’ve done terrible things.
Ending the occupation and having a Palestinian election for the Palestinian people to choose their own leadership is the way to diminish support for Hamas and other Armed resistance groups. Further terrorizing the West Bank and Gaza will only increase their support, which has been shown historically not only within the Occupied Palestinian Territories but throughout history.
The Blockade, described by the Israeli Defense Minister as a ‘total siege’ long before 2023, was a strategic decision in 2005.
Further terrorizing the West Bank and Gaza will only increase their support
That I can fully agree. As opposed to civilian movements and institutions, armed groups tend to survive warfare. Although I doubt those armed group would go quietly as pacification will have to go through a deconstruction and realisation of their atrocities. That means justice, and the armed group won’t like it so we must be ready to see them turn their violence against Gazans. Which they have already done in some way to impose their islamist doctrine.
The blockade and especially its enforcement by lots of military forces was brutal and only provided target for the HAMAS to look “badass”. Again we see the deleterious effects of Israeli security policies to consider every form of threat as a sign they’re about to board the trains again.
fun facts
Woman in the home of the fighting family, whether she is a mother or a sister, plays the most important role
btw on that one, it might seem innocuous but that very sentence and the whole Article Eighteen means that the HAMAS do treat civilians, civilians lives and civilians activities as part of their combat operations. They are a military organization rrefusing to limit themselves to military matters. That is bad
I agree that no article of the 1988 charter states “time for Holocaust 2 : electric boogaloo”
however :
peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement
These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Moslems as arbitraters. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?
In face of the Jews’ usurpation of Palestine
Article Twenty-Two:
For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.
You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.
Oh that’s why.
Article 22 is pretty much a summary of the Protocols of the Elder of Zion, the document used to justify every antisemitic persecutions throughout the 20th century and the Holocaust.
So they did not say they’re going to do it, though they use all the reference, all the concepts, and all the propaganda tactics of the one who did it before.
I… don’t trust them Especially since reforms of the charter did not actually translate into any change or improvements in education or internal propaganda. Though fighting them only pushes them abroad only to come back right after. Right now we see that the HAMAS is already back at securing their political alliances by diverting aids towards their smaller political allies so they can resell it at high prices. All that hit won’t end HAMAS, even militarily speaking the current tactic is unlikely to work. It probably worked damn well to liberate Caen from the 12th SS Division in 1944 but the situation now is pretty different
That’s an interesting idea. Though i think we must not underestimate internal Gazans cause. The HAMAS is basically running anti PA military dictatorship in Gaza enforcing an islamist rule through corruption of lower echelon political actors. The only way they managed to remain in power despite basically defrauding the UN and the Red Cross is by spreading the narrative “hey, we are yout heroic liberators (and everyone who disobeys us is a ******* jew)”. Not that they’re like the nazis, by “liberation” they mean “genocide”.
The problem is that the HAMAS is… not very good at freeing Palestine. The only way they attacked Israel before is through rocket bombardment using 250$ ammo. Problem is that they never got out to fight Tsahal. However their authoritarianism only strengthen with time meaning HAMAS was very not freeing palestine and very much oppressing palestinians. So people started asking question about what the hell all that military budget and requisition were for. So they planned a “boots on the ground mission”. This was supposed to be a show of force to make them look good. I’d even believen advisors suggested this idea. Except the main issue with the HAMAS is that, to them, all this garbage we call “guerilla”, “civil defense”, “policing”, “resistance”, “show of force” means the exact same thing : good ol’ ethnic cleansing.
And an ethnic cleansing on a population of 7 000 000 000. Which means if you’re an israeli citizens, yoiu likely have connections, be it former classmates or extended family, to a victim of the attack. this did not help with the Israeli state of mind rigth afterwards. [](to show the world just how bad Israel can over-react) That’s exactly where I think they should have stopped being insane nazi islamist and read actual books. See I’m French, here we see U.S forces in WW2 as heroes, they are the “Libérateurs”, same for the Brits. You want to know what’s weird ? We do that, despite the fact the U.S.A.F sometimes entirely destoryed the wrong french cities. Yes that happen, for exemple in Royan. We know that, they killed our own peoples, the Liberation of France wa just american G.Is riding through France to enter Germany, but it doesn’t change our opinion. Why ? Because the Vichy Regime were a bunch of fascistic traitors whose stupid and submissive policies led us to this situation. Same thing for the IIIrd Reich who was occupying the country.
No one will side with the HAMAS, few will side with Gaza despite mainstream media broadcasting many pro-palestinian voices (because now that the war is on it’s cooler). Because people don’t like flat out ethnic cleansing and they especially dislikes when their perpetrators run countries
It’s a complicated history but even the Hamas Founding charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. The 2017 Revised charter accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised version. Hamas has committed atrocious acts, there’s no need to make things up about Hamas to show they’ve done terrible things.
Ending the occupation and having a Palestinian election for the Palestinian people to choose their own leadership is the way to diminish support for Hamas and other Armed resistance groups. Further terrorizing the West Bank and Gaza will only increase their support, which has been shown historically not only within the Occupied Palestinian Territories but throughout history.
The Blockade, described by the Israeli Defense Minister as a ‘total siege’ long before 2023, was a strategic decision in 2005.
History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012
Gaza Blockade is still Occupation
Dahiya Doctrine
Gaza March for Return Protest
AWRAD Gaza War Poll
PCPSR Public Opinion Poll Dec 2023
That I can fully agree. As opposed to civilian movements and institutions, armed groups tend to survive warfare. Although I doubt those armed group would go quietly as pacification will have to go through a deconstruction and realisation of their atrocities. That means justice, and the armed group won’t like it so we must be ready to see them turn their violence against Gazans. Which they have already done in some way to impose their islamist doctrine. The blockade and especially its enforcement by lots of military forces was brutal and only provided target for the HAMAS to look “badass”. Again we see the deleterious effects of Israeli security policies to consider every form of threat as a sign they’re about to board the trains again. fun facts
I agree that no article of the 1988 charter states “time for Holocaust 2 : electric boogaloo” however :
You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.
Oh that’s why. Article 22 is pretty much a summary of the Protocols of the Elder of Zion, the document used to justify every antisemitic persecutions throughout the 20th century and the Holocaust. So they did not say they’re going to do it, though they use all the reference, all the concepts, and all the propaganda tactics of the one who did it before. I… don’t trust them Especially since reforms of the charter did not actually translate into any change or improvements in education or internal propaganda. Though fighting them only pushes them abroad only to come back right after. Right now we see that the HAMAS is already back at securing their political alliances by diverting aids towards their smaller political allies so they can resell it at high prices. All that hit won’t end HAMAS, even militarily speaking the current tactic is unlikely to work. It probably worked damn well to liberate Caen from the 12th SS Division in 1944 but the situation now is pretty different