To the surprise of no one, the right spread climate denial misinformation. I can’t say there’s much to be learned from this article. Furthermore the needlessly inflammatory (and arguably inaccurate) headline makes it clear the intent here is to preach to the choir.
I think there’s still something to be said about the particular phenomena the article refers to as petro-masculinity. The intersection of hegemonic masculinity and climate change is definitely an area worth exploring. It’s notable that the article does not attempt to disparage these men and suggests outreach is necessary.
EDIT: Some further context for those that may not read the article.
“Losing oil is seen as a threat to that way of life — and it is,” particularly for white men in industries linked to fossil fuels, she said. Governments and environmentalists need to acknowledge this, she added, and devise ways to tackle the cultural and economic shifts it entails. Without offering people alternatives to austerity politics, and ways to make up for real losses in job security, wages and functional public infrastructure, governments risk fuelling petro-masculine nostalgia and authoritarianism.
In what sense is the title inflammatory or inaccurate? It provides an explanation:
Fossil fuels provide petrol and plastic. But for some people — particularly white, conservative, North American men — they underpin culture, she explained. Measures to phase them out in the face of climate catastrophe can easily be perceived as a threat to these people’s sense of culture and self-worth, imposed by a vague group of elites. These perceptions serve to make climate action a political hot potato.
And a source: “Cara Daggett, a Virginia Tech professor and climate sociologist.”
I don’t see how the intersection of whiteness and masculinity isn’t the very issue at stake here.
I think it’s inaccurate because the essence of what makes someone spread climate denial is not gender or skin color. Why target white men at large and not petro-masculinity or the manosphere? The solution is not getting rid of white men, it’s a culture shift, something this community is trying to explore. Fortunately the article is more nuanced than the the title.
Uh, no one – in the article or in this thread – is advocating getting rid of white men. But acknowledging that white men particularly have issues – and those issues are related to climate change and masculinity, particularly petro-masculinity – seems … fine actually? White men are not above criticism.
I never said anyone was suggesting to get rid of white men. It would be absurd to suggest so. That’s my point. This means that white men aren’t the actual essence of the problem.
I’m a white man and I do my best to fight climate change. I’m not right wing and I don’t even know how to drive. I hate cars. There’s way too many of them. I go about with my kid in the bus and the subway. It’s cool. Why is the title stating I’m a climate denial super spreader? These blanket generalizations are bad no matter the group targeted because they have a “us versus them” dynamic.
Again, my gripe is precisely with the title, not the article itself. It starts off bad and turns off the ones that actually need to read this.
There’s quite a gap between “we need to get rid of white men” and “white men have problems that need to be fixed!” Can’t we say the latter without saying the former?
Why is the title stating I’m a climate denial super spreader?
The funny thing when talking about any problem with white people, is that then you have two problems: the original problem, and also white fragility.
We can talk about problems with whiteness and white people without indicting individuals, just as we can talk about problems with masculinity and men without indicting individuals. No one is coming to take your whiteness away or telling you you’re a bad person.
Now, can we talk about the problems with white masculinity?
Oh lay off the fragile masculinity/snowflake shit. We have feelings too. I’d like to see your take on an article called “Gay men are STI super spreaders” or “Blacks men end up in prison”. These two titles could both accompany thoughtful articles too, because underneath these vulgar headlines are genuine societal issues. I’m disappointed that a mod of this community of all people is telling me to just man up and suck up on the generalized man shaming.
The question is why do you feel targeted. I’m as white as it gets - and I don’t feel targeted by the headline, generalised or shamed in any way or form. I get that headlines have to be edgy - that is the game of klick based 24h news circle.
But the gay community was the primary community impacted by monkeypox, and I can say that without anger or judgment, for the purpose of fixing that problem in our community and targeting the people most affected by it. And for stopping it in the proper place.
…just like the problems with white masculinity.
I’m suggesting you dismiss your fragility and focus on the problems and improving them.
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Good article. Document, document, document.
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White men living in majority white countries frothing at the mouth about racism against them will never not be funny lmao
It must be tough being as fragile as you are.
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ooooh, you’re so brave
I am, and you wish you could have the balls that I do to speak the truth.
lmfao, get over yourself. You’re not fucking brave, you’re a fucking moron.
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It’s perfectly fine to acknowledge that in 2023, just like it’s perfectly fine to acknowledge that mpox was spreading faster in gay male communities.
What is NOT ok is ignoring a disease and refusing to fund research into diagnosis and treatment because you don’t care that a marginalized group of people are dying.
Acknowledging facts and oppressing people are two completely different things.
Two things can be true – corporations owned by rich old white guys are a huge factor in climate derailment. But also white men, toxic masculinity, and the resulting “petro-masculinity” are also bad.
I have no idea where the AIDS whataboutism comes from or what point you were trying to make there.
Well if I could edit my comment I’d change AIDS to COVID or something, it was supposed to be a placeholder example of a hypothetical racist headline. It’s not a statement from me.
Generalizing any race as having a negative quality is racist and it’s wrong, and nobody should be doing it. Just because I’m white doesn’t mean I have to stay quiet when somebody publishes something racist about the billions of people like me.
It’s quite convenient how that point of view basically immunizes white people from criticism. We can actually talk about the problems with whiteness, and with men, and with masculinity; doing so is not racist (or sexist) and does not denigrate the billions of white people (or men) on the planet. It allows us to improve ourselves.
So do you think that races should be open to criticism as a whole? You want to start listing your problems with Chinese people, Mexicans, Cubans, Sudanese, or others?
If not, then that’s completely hypocritical. IMO nobody should be criticizing a race as a whole, because that’s fucking stupid. There’s nothing you can say about any race as a whole that would be valid except to state their common genetic characteristics. Every race has an entire spectrum of individuals who act, speak, and believe differently than others within their race.
So do you think that races should be open to criticism as a whole?
Those are nationalities, not races.
But, certainly we can say, “Children in the United States have a problem with being killed by gun violence.” Would you then show up and archly condemn us for daring to criticize all children in the United States for dying?
Separately, why, when discussing the problems with being white, do fragile people pivot to whataboutism?
There’s nothing you can say about any race as a whole that would be valid except to state their common genetic characteristics.
Except, as the article states in rather convincing language, we can say that white men are the super spreaders of climate denialism. Or, at least, discuss the article and its points without crying that the article is attacking us personally.
If you feel targeted or criticized by the article, you should reflect on why that is, rather than blame the article. We can talk about the problems with white people (and with men!) without indicting individual white people (or men). If you are unable to do that, that’s a “you” problem, not a problem with this article or this community.
How about “NO” motherfucker. I don’t put up with any racism.
I have spoken.
