WASHINGTON, D.C. – After narrowly backing Israel’s military action in Gaza in November, Americans now oppose the campaign by a solid margin. Fifty-five percent currently disapprove of Israel’s actions, while 36% approve.

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    7 months ago

    you are right that israel can end hostilities right now if they want to,the same goes to hamas.

    the onus here seems to be placed on Israel since they are the ones with superior firepower,as if hamas couldn’t end the hostilities by surrendering.

    Bear in mind,hamas has always resorted to terrorist attacks whenever they felt like it,had israel agreed to stop all the aggressions,it will just give hamas breathing space to reorganize and begin another round of Oct 7th terror attack.

    hamas handed israel the reason for all these violence on a silver platter and israel is not going let it go that easily.if you want me to condemn israel and hold them accountable, i for one agree with you…AFTER hamas is wiped out.

    it’s not genocide to want hamas wiped out,unless you are conflating hamas as palestinians.

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      No, Hamas can’t end the apartheid and occupation by surrendering. You fundamentally misunderstand the development and continuation of the occupation. You’re also making things up about why Hamas decided to attack instead of learning the actual reasons.

      I’ve already given links to learn about the escalation of violence in my first response. Seems like you’d rather believe what you want to.

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        it would be naive to think hamas can end apartheid alone but hamas can stop giving israel any form of justification by surrendering,we can start there.

        your links this far has been an attempt to justify hamas,obfuscate hamas with palestinians and painting hamas as a victim of circumstance. most articles provided has been down playing hamas terrorism and somehow israel is fully responsible for the plight in gaza and west bank today,never mind the fact that hamas played a central role in it as well.

        you seem to think Israel should observe the laws and regulations imposed by the international community but you forget a terrorist group like hamas actually spit on those laws and regulations,acting with impunity because they have god on their side.

        lest you forget,in israel,people accused of war crimes can be charged under the laws of israel,hamas on the other hand have no such laws.

        believe what you want of hamas,i for 1 support the full eradication of terrorists,they do not deserve any reprieve.

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          You must also think Nelson Mandala and all the armed militant groups that developed out of Apartheid South Africa Should have been eradicated. After all, they were considered terrorists and did acts of terrorism. It’s almost like understanding the underlying conditions that make people resort to violence is important if you want violence to end.

          Yes, Israel does have military control of the Occupied Palestinian Territories. As they’ve had since 1967.

          1967 war: Haaretz, Forward

          Israel Martial Law and Defence (Emergency) Regulations practiced in the occupied territories after 1967

          Amnesty Report, HRW Report, AIDA Report, OCHA Report on the details of the daily violence Israel uses to enforce the apartheid.

          Gaza Blockade is still Occupation

          Forced Displacement of Palestinians continue to this day: 972mag, MEE, Haaretz

          Palestinians denied civil rights including Military Court

          Palestinian Prisoners in Israel including Child abuse

          Human Shields including Children (2013 Report)

          Settler Violence Torture and Abuse in Interrogations No freedom of movement Water control

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            7 months ago

            still trying the white wash hamas i see.

            understanding the reason for the violence does not equate to justification. that is what you’re trying to do since the beginning, conflating the reason for the violence as justification.

            no amount of justification is enough for hamas to commit terrorist attacks on innocent people. you can try to villify israel as much as you like,i’d prefer the eradication of hamas and we can discuss who in israel should be held accountable for the war crimes.

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              7 months ago

              understanding the reason for the violence does not equate to justification.

              That’s my point. Yet you justify Israel’s actions.

              that is what you’re trying to do since the beginning, conflating the reason for the violence as justification.

              No, my point is that if you understand the increasing violence of Occupation/Apartheid are responsible for the increase in violence of armed resistance, then it’s clear that an end to the occupation is the only way to end the violence.

              no amount of justification is enough for hamas to commit terrorist attacks on innocent people. you can try to villify israel as much as you like,i’d prefer the eradication of hamas and we can discuss who in israel should be held accountable for the war crimes.

              Israel has committed magnitudes more violence on innocent palestinians, both before and after Hamas. There is no metric of violence that Israel hasn’t committed far more of.

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                Israel’s actions has been a response to hamas’ for Oct 7th attack. Justified??? i am sure it was and still is,given what they (hamas) did. there is no argument on this on this specificity. were there instances where israel isn’t justified?? petty sure there is. it’s not a blanket statement to say israel is completely justified in everything they do.

                you mentioned the continued apartheid/occupation as the source of the violence, so end the occupation and accept the 2 state solution, not that hard for hamas.

                this isn’t a competition to see who has committed more crimes against whose population, they are crimes and those responsible should be held accountable.

                you trying to villify israel and downplaying/apologising for hamas atrocities. i am not sure why you chose to be a hamas apologist,it certainly isn’t helping the palestinians in anyway.