• hessenjunge
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    8 months ago

    The idiots on here firmly believe that nuclear creates zero waste. In their deranged head there is no nuclear waste that will last for longer than humanity existed.

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      All coal from the Earth has a radioactive component to it. Burning coal releases more radiation into the atmosphere than a properly functioning nuclear reactor ever does. Fly ash from coal fired power plants contains 100 times more radiation than nuclear power plants emit.

      The idiots on here apparently also think that burning coal somehow doesn’t create waste that will last for longer than humanity has existed.

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        8 months ago

        Nobody brings up coal but nuclear stans and bots. You definitely put your favorite straw man to work.

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          Germany could have eliminated coal a decade or more ago. That’s an important point to bring up.

          I agree it’s too late now for nuclear to make sense, but that was a lost decade of coal emissions.

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            It would be of the discussion was nuclear vs coal - which it isn’t.

            You’re bringing up the straw man because you want turn away the discussion from renewables.

            There’s good discussion to be had on the (complex) situation in Germany but it’s immediately flooded by the nuke-bots.

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              The discussion may not have been nuclear vs coal, but the reality was. That’s the whole problem.

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                2 x No it isn’t. I know you love your precious precious nuclear to death and back and you really really need to discuss coal to better shill for it. Nobody cares about your religion and your straw man.

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                  “Nuh uh!”

                  Okay whatever lol. Deny reality all you want. More nuclear = less coal, it’s very simple math. Anyone not blinded by “scary nuclear!” can see it.

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                    Nuclear just means massive potential radioactive pollution as there is no secure storage for the radioactive waste. You are now going to claim there is proven safe storage, there just a couple of mishaps really.

                    Also, more importantly, there isn’t even enough fission material to sustain demand for significant time if Germany and others were to switch. But sure lets’s just skip and ignore renewables. Renewables pollute so much.

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      Compared to renewables, nuclear creates pretty much zero waste. The whole story of nuclear energy created less waste than one year of waste from solar panels alone.

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        8 months ago

        What is the toxicity and half life / storage requirements for each waste type?

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          Toxicity I believe is about equal. Storage requirements are a bit stricter for nuclear in terms of storage container requirements, but much much much less in terms of storage space. Overall, it is much cheaper to safely dispose of the nuclear waste then waste from solar power.

          Note: radiation is not toxicity.

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            Thanks for this picture-perfect post of a nuke-stan / nuke-bot

            Toxicity I believe is about equal.

            I generally try to respect other peoples religion but yours is a threat to the ecosphere. I believe you know your statement is bullshit.

            Storage requirements are a bit stricter for nuclear in terms of storage container requirements

            People opposed to nuclear know this already but why do you think that is?

            Follow up: How long does it need to be safely stored? Please note the number of years.

            Humanity is about 300.000 years old, the Pyramids of Gizeh were build about 4600 years ago, the Vandals sacked Rome 1569 years ago, WW2 ended about 80 years ago. Now compare the those times with the time radioactive waste needs to be safely stored (and it definitely isn’t at the moment).

            Note: radiation is not toxicity.

            FYI: There are generally five types of toxicities: chemical, biological, physical, radioactive and behavioural.

            To be fair radioactive toxicity stands a bit out because it is (in your wording) much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much more toxic than anything else possibly including ‘forever chemicals’.

            Nuclear energy is not cheaper nor safer, you’re just kicking a toxic, radioactive can down the road.

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              FYI: There are generally five types of toxicities: chemical, biological, physical, radioactive and behavioural.

              Toxicity at least in scientific literature only refers to chemical toxicity. What even would be “physical toxicity”?!

              To be fair radioactive toxicity stands a bit out because it is (in your wording) much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much more toxic than anything else possibly including ‘forever chemicals’.

              If you went to eat unenriched uranium, you would die sooner (as in from smaller dose) from chemical poisoning than radiation damage (uranium is also chemically toxic). People not educated about the actual dangers of radiation tend to greatly over exaggerate its dangers.

              Follow up: How long does it need to be safely stored? Please note the number of years.

              For how long do you need to store toxic (by your weird definition I guess chemically toxic?) substances like lead?

              Since they don’t have a half-life, until the heat death of the universe. So why does storage time only suddenly matter for nuclear waste?

              Nuclear energy is not cheaper nor safer, you’re just kicking a toxic, radioactive can down the road.

              Nuclear energy killed fewer people per kilowatt generated than hydro, wind, gas, and coal. Its just people like you spreading misinformation.

              Here is a good video why nuclear waste is not the issue people like you make it out to be: https://youtu.be/4aUODXeAM-k

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                FYI: There are generally five types of toxicities: chemical, biological, physical, radioactive and behavioural.

                Toxicity at least in scientific literature only refers to chemical toxicity. What even would be “physical toxicity”?!

                Maybe, just maybe, you should have read the Wikipedia article you linked. Not only did I lift that sentence from there it also explains physical toxicity. Sometimes you should read past the headline.

                ( Skipping the rest of the BS and jumping to the grand finale.)

                Here is a good video why nuclear waste is not the issue people like you make it out to be: https://youtu.be/4aUODXeAM-k

                Oh, so you got your PHD from Youtube Universitytm - I didn’t know that! My bad, you win!

                JK, I like to get my info from different sources including but not limited to actual professors of physics (e.g. Harald Lesch) and they don’t agree with mister Youtube dude.

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                    Finally we reached the stage of you throwing shit on the wall in the hope something sticks.

                    arxiv.org 1810.02865

                    Published by team working for Bangladeshi Nuclear energy providers and reads a bit like a promotion piece. It is cited nowhere but I’m sure their employer/customer was happy.

                    pubs.geoscienceworld.org/..../Natural-fission-reactors-of-Oklo

                    Please explain the relevance pertaining to this discussion.

                    www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/15/20/7804

                    Way better than your 1st article but still drives on assumed probabilities.

                    Safe? No, it isn’t.

                    www.science.org/d … /science.254.5038.1603

                    This article is by psychologists. Relevance?

                    Assuming you did some research on this (who am I kidding though) you should have found at per each article you find that claims storage is safe you’ll find at least 2 incidents disproving that. If you’ll look at the corresponding Wikipedia page you’ll find these are mostly in developed countries or where they can be detected by developed countries. Surely this is just coincidence and not the tip of the proverbial iceberg…

                    I could drown you with links & articles of better scientific provenience but since that would be pointless I’d like to point out another fact to consider that doesn’t get discussed enough:

                    At current (nuclear energy) consumption level the global stockpile of fissionable material is estimated to provide energy for another 230 years. That seems a lot and would buy us and a couple of future generations time. Until you factor in Germany and others stopping all efforts to implement renewables, emerging countries doing the same and also the rising demand for electricity which is estimated to drive up current nuclear energy consumption by 20. Suddenly that lengthy period of 230 years is gone…

                    Fission and fossile both rely on finite consumables. All energy providers have pollution associated with them. Out of these however only renewable get their energy from the sun which is good for another couple of billion years. So the only option is to go all in on renewables.

                    Yes, at the very least Germany should have started decades ago but Germans decided they’d like a conservative Government for most of the past 40 years.