• Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works
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    8 months ago

    Voting does sort of make you complicit, honestly.

    But guess what? Not voting also makes you complicit. So does voting in a way that has no chance of having an effect based on the current rules.

    Basically, existing as an eligible voter, at least in a country where voting isn’t rigged (so like, Russians are off the hook here, for example) makes you complicit in your government’s actions.

    That’s kind of a big point of being in a democratic society - we are all, every one of us, responsible for the actions of our government.

    And if you don’t like that responsibility, I get it, I totally sympathize, because I agree. I hate that responsibility, especially cause I know damn well I’m not qualified to make those decisions. But I still am responsible, and pretending I’m not doesn’t change that.

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      8 months ago

      eh, im with you but i dont really like the overapplication of the word complicit.

      i much prefer the model that we are a bunch of individuals doing our best to organize against systematic murder. but yes thank you for your corroborating comment :)

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      This is straight horseshit. The only reason I could be possibly be considered complicit is that I haven’t shot those fuckers, and well, that’s frowned upon.

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      I’m not responsible. I’m the the horse they ride in on. If fuck me too, what am I gonna do about it?

      Paying taxes seems to put us all in the wrong.

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      8 months ago

      Not voting also makes you complicit

      What if I vote for someone you don’t like, though? Say, by endorsing a third party or spoiling the ballot with a write in?

      That’s kind of a big point of being in a democratic society - we are all, every one of us, responsible for the actions of our government.

      Police officer bludgeoning student protestor with a truncheon

      “WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR MY ACTIONS, CITIZEN!”

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      at least in a country where voting isn’t rigged (so like, Russians are off the hook here, for example)

      So we’re all off the hook, then?

      That’s kind of a big point of being in a democratic society

      You don’t live in a democratic society.

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          8 months ago

          Everywhere

          Tell me where you live and I’ll show you how anti-democratic the society you live in really is.

          Up for this challenge?

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            8 months ago

            I’m curious. Please (Unironically) tell me about the anti-democratic nature of germany.

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              the anti-democratic nature of germany.

              Gee… what a challenge! I’m going to be completely stumped by this one, eh?

              But just before I do the little surrender dance, we have to… you know - dot the i’s and get the paperwork right, okay?

              You did get to vote on who it is that manages you at your job, right?

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                  Oh, not at all.

                  We are absolutely getting to the heart of the matter… and no amount of liberal pearl-clutching is going to change that.

                  I take it the answer is a definite no?

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                8 months ago

                But this was not what the Original Comment was about…? This is not about society as a whole, but rather, well, the nation we live in being ruled in a certain way. A government for the people, by the people, seems pretty democratic to me.

                And Yes, I know there’s problems. I know one’s job often isn’t managed in a democratic fashion (although that does exist, mind you). I know there’s corruption and misinformation and whatever else, but at the end of the day, my vote counts. And so does everyone else’s.

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                  This is about as simple as it gets - you either live in a democratic society or you don’t.

                  If it’s a case of the former it doesn’t matter how hard and for how long political racketeers and their media cronies have shoved a buzzword down your throat, does it now?