It’s been a long time since I read the books but I’m positive in the extended editions of the movies it turns Isildur invisible during the prologue. Is that a departure from source?
In the books, Isildur turned invisible by putting on the ring, and dove into a river to escape a band of orcs. The ring, under its own will, slipped from his finger and he was spotted by orcish archers, who killed him.
I’ve always thought that the “invisibility” aspect of the ring was that it shifted the wearer into the shadow realm. The Nine were invisible without their cloaks, but were visible when the ring was worn. It also made the wearer more visible to Sauron, iirc.
If that’s the case, then the power granted by the ring might mean that magic users (such as Gandalf or Galadriel) would more easily draw on power from the other realm into this one.
I’ve always thought that the “invisibility” aspect of the ring was that it shifted the wearer into the shadow realm. The Nine were invisible without their cloaks, but were visible when the ring was worn. It also made the wearer more visible to Sauron, iirc.
Yup, this is how I think about it: the ring takes your existing point on the scale from the seen/unseen world and inverts it.
So it works out as so:
Mortal beings without the ring: 100% seen, 0% unseen
Mortal beings with the ring: 0% seen, 100% unseen
Immortal beings without the ring: 50% seen, 50% unseen
Immortal beings with the ring: 50% seen, 50% unseen
For immortals, it doesn’t render them invisible because if you “flip” their position, it still basically stays the same.
It’s one power the ring posses. I think Galadriel implied that, with training, Frodo would be able to turn that automatic function off, and access more powers. But the process of learning to use it would inherently corrupt whoever attempted it. I always took it to mean that the ring gathered power from the Unseen world, and so someone with no presence there and without the ability to manipulate it would be inherently dragged in, but it’s not a core aspect or intended design, and nullifying that would not be a hindrance to using it. It’s just a bug turned feature for folks that want to remain unseen.
I thought the pulling the wearer into the other realm was part of the lore, that’s why it wouldn’t work the same on elves or a wizard, they are already part of that realm. So I’m agreeing I just thought I saw on tolkienfans it was the intended reading of the situation but I can’t remember if it was just theory from letters or something he wrote about.
Also why Frodo saw such a bright light when rescued at the Ford, he saw the elf, Glorifindal? As he was in the other realm. Also showed why that elf couldn’t go on the quest with them, he’d be like a beacon.
It’s been a long time since I read the books but I’m positive in the extended editions of the movies it turns Isildur invisible during the prologue. Is that a departure from source?
In the books, Isildur turned invisible by putting on the ring, and dove into a river to escape a band of orcs. The ring, under its own will, slipped from his finger and he was spotted by orcish archers, who killed him.
I’ve always thought that the “invisibility” aspect of the ring was that it shifted the wearer into the shadow realm. The Nine were invisible without their cloaks, but were visible when the ring was worn. It also made the wearer more visible to Sauron, iirc.
If that’s the case, then the power granted by the ring might mean that magic users (such as Gandalf or Galadriel) would more easily draw on power from the other realm into this one.
Happened in the movies too, AFAIR.
And in the books it was a big thing that Tom Bombadil did not become invisible when he put on the ring. Invisibility seems to be a core feature.
Yup, this is how I think about it: the ring takes your existing point on the scale from the seen/unseen world and inverts it.
So it works out as so:
Mortal beings without the ring: 100% seen, 0% unseen
Mortal beings with the ring: 0% seen, 100% unseen
Immortal beings without the ring: 50% seen, 50% unseen
Immortal beings with the ring: 50% seen, 50% unseen
For immortals, it doesn’t render them invisible because if you “flip” their position, it still basically stays the same.
It’s one power the ring posses. I think Galadriel implied that, with training, Frodo would be able to turn that automatic function off, and access more powers. But the process of learning to use it would inherently corrupt whoever attempted it. I always took it to mean that the ring gathered power from the Unseen world, and so someone with no presence there and without the ability to manipulate it would be inherently dragged in, but it’s not a core aspect or intended design, and nullifying that would not be a hindrance to using it. It’s just a bug turned feature for folks that want to remain unseen.
I thought the pulling the wearer into the other realm was part of the lore, that’s why it wouldn’t work the same on elves or a wizard, they are already part of that realm. So I’m agreeing I just thought I saw on tolkienfans it was the intended reading of the situation but I can’t remember if it was just theory from letters or something he wrote about.
Also why Frodo saw such a bright light when rescued at the Ford, he saw the elf, Glorifindal? As he was in the other realm. Also showed why that elf couldn’t go on the quest with them, he’d be like a beacon.