I saw both of those posts. The one thing I’ll say about that first one is that it’s only 3 hours old, and there are already several comments dismissing it as a ‘Biden hate-boner’ and a number saying 'yea this is fucked, but I’m voting Biden anyway because Trump is so much worse" apropos of nothing.
Yeah but they’re allowed to say that, no? That’s way different from saying “how dare you criticize Biden” or anything, and it’s still notable to me that the top consensus view is that Biden is being a dickhead about it.
Honestly this, to me, is the most depressing thing about the shills being here – like I would love to be in an environment where all of the people who don’t like Israel killing as they’ve always done (which is, as far as I can tell, almost all of us) can say “Jesus Christ what a shitbag” when Biden gets up and says something like this, without needing to add in all these little qualifiers that we need now, because the discourse has become so distorted.
dismissing real critiques with electoral nonsense about zero-sum FPTP essentialism
I think it’s unacceptable to let people evade addressing them just because there’s a boogeyman lurking around the corner.
Are people evading addressing Gaza? Is there like a shortage of posts about how it’s still happening and how Biden is complicit? This just sounds like a strawman to me. Like who here is cheering for the FPTP system (instead of just pointing out that it’s a reality for this election and we should act accordingly)? Is there like a shortage of coverage of Gaza or the US’s involvement in it under Biden? Most of the stuff I see talking about any of this gets upvoted and treated pretty sensibly, not like “evaded” or anything.
I consider responding to that coverage with the voting qualifiers as essentially evading the question, because it reframes ‘something bad Biden is doing to lose support’ into ‘our personal obligation to vote for him regardless’ and is frequently accompanied by ‘if you say you won’t it’ll be your fault he loses’ instead of it being his fault for making the choive in the first place. It’s the reason anarchists are anti-electoralism; it neuters any actual organizing efforts by misdirecting it towards something that is effectively predetermined
It’s the atomization of the issue that moves the focus onto the individuality of voting, instead of a recognition that - in political systems- more force is needed if anything substantial will change.
Are they allowed to say that? Sure… just as much as anyone is allowed to say ‘genocide Joe will never get my vote’. And then you’ll respond to them, and there we go another time around the block.
And if I’m being 100% transparent, I don’t pay much attention to the threads where everyone is in agreement. I don’t have more to add if people are already in recognition of the problem; it’s when i see the deflection of blame onto protestors that i get worked up enough to jump in. maybe that has warped my perception, or maybe it’s warped by the hexbear threads I still have federation with that makes the denial over here so intolerable. I don’t know. All I know is that if the vibe I’m reading is true to reality, I don’t have much optimism for the outcome in November (no matter who wins)
Yeah but they’re allowed to say that, no? That’s way different from saying “how dare you criticize Biden” or anything, and it’s still notable to me that the top consensus view is that Biden is being a dickhead about it.
Honestly this, to me, is the most depressing thing about the shills being here – like I would love to be in an environment where all of the people who don’t like Israel killing as they’ve always done (which is, as far as I can tell, almost all of us) can say “Jesus Christ what a shitbag” when Biden gets up and says something like this, without needing to add in all these little qualifiers that we need now, because the discourse has become so distorted.
Are people evading addressing Gaza? Is there like a shortage of posts about how it’s still happening and how Biden is complicit? This just sounds like a strawman to me. Like who here is cheering for the FPTP system (instead of just pointing out that it’s a reality for this election and we should act accordingly)? Is there like a shortage of coverage of Gaza or the US’s involvement in it under Biden? Most of the stuff I see talking about any of this gets upvoted and treated pretty sensibly, not like “evaded” or anything.
I consider responding to that coverage with the voting qualifiers as essentially evading the question, because it reframes ‘something bad Biden is doing to lose support’ into ‘our personal obligation to vote for him regardless’ and is frequently accompanied by ‘if you say you won’t it’ll be your fault he loses’ instead of it being his fault for making the choive in the first place. It’s the reason anarchists are anti-electoralism; it neuters any actual organizing efforts by misdirecting it towards something that is effectively predetermined
It’s the atomization of the issue that moves the focus onto the individuality of voting, instead of a recognition that - in political systems- more force is needed if anything substantial will change.
Are they allowed to say that? Sure… just as much as anyone is allowed to say ‘genocide Joe will never get my vote’. And then you’ll respond to them, and there we go another time around the block.
And if I’m being 100% transparent, I don’t pay much attention to the threads where everyone is in agreement. I don’t have more to add if people are already in recognition of the problem; it’s when i see the deflection of blame onto protestors that i get worked up enough to jump in. maybe that has warped my perception, or maybe it’s warped by the hexbear threads I still have federation with that makes the denial over here so intolerable. I don’t know. All I know is that if the vibe I’m reading is true to reality, I don’t have much optimism for the outcome in November (no matter who wins)