• GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      1 year ago

      What do you think of fact that the political center is different at different times and places? Are all of those respective centers correct, is it merely a matter of coincidence that our current center is the Truth, or is this golden mean thinking a load of horseshit?

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        1 year ago

        I did attempt to explain in another post, but I’ll also reply here.

        I’m not saying the center is the ideal. I’m not saying people at the edges of the political compass are “extreme”. Being in the center would be like trying to serve the same plate to two different patrons at a restaurant. I personally think you should pick a side and stand up for your ideals.

        However, issues that arise should be resolved with critical thinking in mind. Bad faith arguments in an attempt to hold your position is extreme. Ignoring evidence supporting other conclusions is extreme.

        That kinda shit, you know?

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        I view extremes, in the context of political leanings, as being positions that do not allow for new or competing information. Holding on to a position at any cost, despite evidence of the contrary.

        I can “define my terms” for you, but would that really change anything?

        I just thought it was a bit funny to see so many replies to such a one-off and throwaway comment.

        I do want to know though… is it that everyone thinks I’m a troll? I’m not familiar with this particular instance overall, but I’m not a stranger to general socialist content. I figured it would be understood that “extremes” would refer to political ideology that involves sticking with a party at any cost, without ever thinking critically about the ideology and their positions.

        I hope this clears it up for you.

        • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]@hexbear.net
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          1 year ago

          I can “define my terms” for you, but would that really change anything?

          why are fascists so unwilling to just define their terms? do you know your terms are explicitly fascist, or have you just never examined the terms some youtubers or whatever handed to you?

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            1 year ago

            What in the fuck are you on about lol

            I defined the term, and asked if it mattered to you.

            You never answered that question either.

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              “positions that do not allow for competing information” is just hand-waving, you didn’t define shit and you know it

              I won’t answer any questions until you answer my simple one. I’m a communist, I’m not afraid to define what I believe in because it’s not horrible, disgusting shit. Fascists have trouble with this because they know their beliefs are repugnant, irrational trash.

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                1 year ago

                I totally understand what you’re saying, and why you want me to define the terms. I really should have worded it differently.

                My point was just that someone who has a more right leaning opinion is not the same as the cretin in the OP.

                Again, after spending a lot of time re-reading my comment, I just feel like an idiot for not being specific.

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                  My point was just that someone who has a more right leaning opinion is not the same as the cretin in the OP.

                  So what? A conservative is not the same as a fascist? What real fucking difference does that separation make? Both are cretins with abhorrent views at the end of the day. Are you a conservative?

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                    No, I’m not.

                    Having a lean on a particular opinion at an individual level doesn’t mean shit. That’s nuance for you.

                    The comment I replied to implied they felt bad for having any right leaning opinion at all simply because of other people with right leaning opinions being more extreme. I merely said it didn’t make them the same. Maybe the person will reconsider their positions after seeing the true nature of the conservative party. Maybe they have been blind to it.

                    I don’t really know. It was just a one-off comment.

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          By your deffinition of not allowing new competing information, libs fit that definition even more eo than the cretin in the op. And you know? I agree thats the escence of being a reactionary someone who oposes progress.

          And by that logic any backward class that oposes progres are extremists and should be removed by force if necesary.

          I agree.

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            Yes. Regardless of political leaning, disregarding new or competing information on its face is bad. People should be more willing to accept that they can be wrong, or misinformed.

            Progress is the goal, and we can’t get there if we aren’t willing to accept the errors we make and correct them.