Egyptian intelligence quietly changed the terms of a ceasefire proposal that Israel had already signed off on earlier this month, ultimately scuttling a deal that could have released Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners, and set a pathway to temporarily end the fighting in Gaza, according to three people familiar with the discussions.
The ceasefire agreement that Hamas ended up announcing on May 6 was not what the Qataris or the Americans believed had been submitted to Hamas for a potential final review, the sources said.
The changes made by Egyptian intelligence, the details of which have not been previously reported, led to a wave of anger and recrimination among officials from the US, Qatar and Israel, and left ceasefire talks at an impasse.
Now that is a twist I didn’t see coming.
That’s a twist pretty much everyone saw who is not Israel hater. Israel reported the very day the talks broke up that terms were changed, but Hamas announced day prior they are accepting the terms, making Israel look like they are the ones who didn’t accept.
It was the same story about hospital being bombed. Everyone reported Israel bombing hospital and it took months of independent investigation to figure out what Israel initially said, which was that the stray rocket fell on parking lot and amount of victims wasn’t 500.
This is what Hamas does, fight media war making Israel look bad at every opportunity. Yesterday we could see just how much they fact check things when they reported a joke from social media as a fact checked news story about how “MOSAD agent named Eli Copter was responsible for deaths of Iranian leaders”… Seriously (h)Eli Copter. We came up with better jokes when we were kids.
Israel doesn’t need any help looking bad. Anyone with an ounce of integrity already hates them.
It still hasnt been proven, independents aren’t allowed into the battle zone right now only those approved by Israel who then can’t claim to be unbiased.
I mean, that’s kind of predictable.
I think that the decision by Hamas to kick off a fight with Israel in the first place was a really bad idea, but let’s assume that they’ve committed to that. Hamas has no prospect whatsoever of winning a military conflict with Israel. Whatever gains they hope to make are going to have to be predicated on the actions of others, so they’re going to have to hope that they can sell someone else on involving themselves. And that’s going to mean the media and such.
Absolutely… but most people seem to be falling for it.
Well, specifically what do you mean by that?
As a strategy, I’d say that it hasn’t worked. I haven’t been following the conflict closely, but the only use of outside hard power that I off-the-cuff recall seeing has been:
Some rockets out of Lebanon.
Some long-range weapons that Iran fired – some of which were shot down by the US, France, UK, Jordan, and Israel.
Like, Israel’s caught some negative press, sure, but if you’re Hamas, you aren’t gonna start a war that you’re gonna lose in hard power terms with the goal of getting some words.
And a lot of that criticism, I believe, isn’t related to what Hamas would probably want to see. Hamas wants Israel to stop existing. That’s not what is being talked about.
In the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Arab residents of the region tried to eject Jewish settlers, and Jews took the opportunity to kick Arabs out from a lot of the territory entirely. I think that the meaningful criticism mostly surrounds the potential for Israel doing something like a repeat, but involving the Gaza Strip – if you’ve got a war that the other guy kicked off, you’ve got some political impetus to rewrite the situation to be more to your liking. I mean, Hamas doesn’t want the conversation to be over whether it’s acceptable for Israel to force Gaza residents out into Egypt. That’s not a situation where Hamas stands to gain in terms of having the war at all. They want to win something, not have pressure limiting how badly they wind up losing.
Actually it has been working. Everyone is calling Israel evil and calling for recognition of genocide. ICC is summoning Netanyahu and number of countries are recognizing Palestine as a country. This has not happened so far. I know Hamas has only one goal which is destruction of Israel, but am not sure others realize this.
So in summary world is sending a message where terrorizing people, killing hundreds of innocents will get you what you want. More money, recognition and legitimacy. I dread to see what is coming in future.
The ICC is summoning no one. The prosecutor in the case has requested a warrant for Netanyahu, some of his cabinet and Hamas leaders.
So I’m not sure how that shows it’s working. You just seem to want Israel to face no repercussions.
I mean, there are some vocal people out there, but I’d give reasonable odds that a lot of them weren’t too keen on Israel in the first place. Getting them more worked up doesn’t change the situation.
I don’t think that the meaningful parties here, the ones who could change the situation, have shown much interest in doing what Hamas would like to see.
What Hamas would need for this to be a successful strategy, I think, is concrete action from outside countries aiming to produce a situation not only more-favorable to Hamas than the pre-war situation, but one so much more favorable that it’s worth the costs of the war for Gaza. I haven’t seen anything that looks to me like that.
Indeed there are a lot of vocal people here who weren’t keen o Israel to begin with. But that shouldn’t justify calling deaths of civilians on either side.
I think this is mostly due to Israel’s insistence that Hamas must perish. Which is why I guess every ceasefire talks are falling through constantly. There’s no future in which Hamas exists that Israel is willing to accept. Sadly a lot of innocent will pay the cost. So whatever happens Israel will double-down on eradicating Hamas while trying to minimize civilian casualties and Hamas will try to survive by doing the opposite.
See, you’re being downvoted but I see no media openly recalling their articles and saying they jumped to conclusions.
Is Israeli innocent of everything - very doubtful. But people are screaming how bad Israel is because of what is seen in the media, that they argue and scream more about how bad they are when facts come out the media was wrong.
People scream about how bad israel is based on high civilians casualities, ton of genocidal israel statements and ton of videos documenting IDF crimes
Yes, and where do you see these?
Are you reading peer reviewed journal articles, or media articles about them? ICJ and ICC reports, or media commentary on it? Are you talking with victims and politicians, or what the media says is happening?
This is the point the other poster and I are getting at - your entire information on this conflict is the media that has been shown multiple times to jump to conclusions.
Does it excuse actions from both sides - no. But have a fucking think about what the media is telling you.
Tiktok and telegram have a ton of them unedited videos. Many of them are filmed by soldiers themseves venting about their crimes. There’s zero way to interpret them wrong
Lol
Are you saying the videos are AI or something?
No, but I see how my wording can seem that way. Its that when your view of something is based on the media, you can’t dismiss someone bringing new facts to light with that viewpoint formed by the media.