I’m not banned yet because the admin’s at least a bit sympathetic, but I sure as hell don’t think 90% of the group’s gonna want to speak to me after this. I told them I’m voting and campaigning for a 3rd party candidate who is anti-Israel and pro-trans and explained that I could not in good conscience vote for Biden after his blatant and willing complicity in genocide. Here are some of the arguments I encountered in response to that:
- “Not voting for Biden makes it easier for Trump to win, and Trump will genocide trans people in addition to Palestinians. Therefore anything you do supports genocide, so you might as well support less genocide.”
- “Your trans friends will all know that you’re functionally anti-trans.” (I’m sure this would be a shock to my trans friends in my org, all of whom have made it clear they will also not vote for Biden)
- “Trump would genocide Palestinians even harder.”
- “Biden wants to stop the genocide, but the Republicans won’t let him.”
Some choice quotes:
Have pride in your self centeredness, I guess.
Choosing someone who you know cannot win, especially as they’re not the chosen candidate, is only symbolically different than choosing apathy.
It’s just objectively how it works in this system. There is no non vote.
And it is most depressing your friends here at home are not important enough to check one box for.
And this:
[The Palestinian] genocide is going to happen regardless of the two. But the one that’s happening here, that one can be stopped. And you refuse to do anything about it because you think you’re so much better.
You’re right about one thing, though. I do think I’m better than people who give their endorsement to running over Palestinian children with tanks.
And I’m better than people that choose two genocides at once, I guess. If we’re ranking each other. I’d laugh if it wasn’t stupid.
First off, amazing title. Tagline pls.
That argument about trans people sucks ass, and not in a sexual way.
“Genocide only matters when it happens to meeeeee”
It’s also stupid because we didn’t used to have genocide as something that was just given (we did, but not something libs acknowledged) now we do. Do they think it just stops here? If you accept genocide there’s not going to be less of it. Next election it’ll be “well sure trans people are being killed, but our candidate doesn’t want to murder homosexuals! If you vote for their guy you’ll get killed. It’s about stopping the genocide that’s yet to happen!”
Also Biden is enabling persecution if trans people, so it doesn’t even make sense. “Well he’s just allowing you to be gathered into camps, he’s not ordering it himself and youre not getting murdered by the state, yet. If you dont vote for us, you will be. Also we’re not going to do anything to change conditions.” Its just a straight up threat to keep trans people in line.
Point out that you do not support genocide, so therefore you won’t vote for Biden. You don’t support trans genocide either, which is why you won’t vote for Trump.
Reassure them by saying that you’ll be not voting for Trump more than you’ll be not voting for Biden. Since not voting for Biden is a vote Trump and vice versa, then you have functionally voted for Biden, so there’s nothing to be mad about.
Call them spineless for accepting genocide, and make some suggestion of direct action they can do. If they’re truly supportive of Palestine, then they’ll want to help, right? So they’ll donate to help some people out over there, right?