• notabot@lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    OK, ignoring the ire in you post:

    All I ever ask for these days is some basic fucking stuff, like idk, stop giving weapons to aparthied governments to kill brown people?

    As we saw with the uncommitted protests, change can happen with enough pressure. It wasn’t much, but it was a noticeable change in tone. Now imagine that amount of targeted pressure had been, or is, kept up for an extended period of time. Changes would absolutely happen.

    I don’t have to build a fucking governing vision for people, as if Republicans or Democrats actually do that.

    The thing is, they do present that vision, even if all that amounts to is “more of the same, with some differences that may or may not matter to you”. Without a compelling alternative vision voters aren’t going to turn away from that, because it’s the only message they’re getting. I didn’t mean you personally when I talked about presenting such a case, but a cohesive enough group has to form to do so in order to give people that alternative. I’m not talking about running an electoral campaign, that is clearly out of reach, but finding ways of getting that vision out in other ways. As you say,places like reddit are bot-farmed, or they’re astroturfed, but still huge numbers of people go there and are exposed to the messaging published on those platforms. Again, none of this is about you doing it personally, but about getting people together to do it collectively.

    We are at a large, intentional, systemic disadvantage, and we don’t even have the money to get the ball rolling in the right direction.

    The more people who get to hear the message and align with it, the easier it is to collect that money, making it easier to get the message out further. As I said, it’s not about an election campaign, it’s about getting enough people to decide they will demand a specific change.

    Mostly we just piss people off who can only hear rhetoric, which, while funny, doesn’t actually do anything.

    Correct. It’s probably good stress relief, but it’s not achieving much in the way of getting more people to come together.

    There are no ‘populists’ you utterly contemptible moron. There are liars for capital and that is it.

    I’m not going to argue with you there, I was just using the more common word for it.