• HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Bad faith argument. (By the way, did you read the article? I looked it up, and read it.)

    Either the people should be allowed to farm what they choose

    -or-

    The gov’t that is forcing them to farm what the gov’t chooses should compensate them for their lost income.

    Either you believe in individual rights to self-determination, or you don’t. If you don’t believe that individuals can choose what is right for themselves when their actions aren’t causing measurable, direct, physical harms to other people–and I’m not talking about corporations here, or bosses choosing what their workers can do, but real, individual people–then we really don’t have a basis to discuss this in the first place. You can argue that the land belongs to the people as a whole, and not any one person, and I could respect that. But you’re arguing that the individual’s labor belongs to the state as well, and I take strong issue with that.

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      1 year ago

      Expect it normal individual farmers dumbasses, these are Chinese agribusiness, collective village co-ops and state owned fields

      Again you don’t know how agricultural subsidies work, the state doesnt care about an individual and thier small allotment in a village, they care about the farms with thousands of acres that uses seasonal migrant labor from the city to harvest

      Or in the case of the subsidies, state brokered heavy equipment and subsidized feed

      You literally dont have a clue how Chinese agriculture works, those capitalists are already making profits at state expense, some of them are whining they can’t speculate on different inefficient crops without losing state subsidy

      Those corporations don’t have an automatic right to state subsidy and they don’t have a right to play around with the food, you’re basically arguing China should return to the conditions that caused famines in the past; poor speculation, hoarding and soil exhaustion by greedy landowners

      Hopefully in the future China can skip the remaining middlemen and hand over the farms to the workers themselves instead of giving those bloodsuckers artifical profits

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        1 year ago

        I’ll take that as no, you haven’t read the article, and no, you don’t believe in individual self determination.

        Nice chat.

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          michael-laugh It’s not an article dumbass it’s a 33 min podcast episode by one the Economists top China watchers

          lmao YOU didn’t even borrow to click the link, thanks for the laugh, next time engage with the subject matter instead of just bullshitting your way thru