Fuck do you mean, Doug, are you denying all the apologia, fascism, colonialism, racism, sexism, ablism, and homophobia that occurred? And I wasn’t there but I sure hope they gave the liberals of your instance hell for their imperialist views.
They came in with broad sweeping statements and assumptions paired with judgements and wishes of harm based in nothing but their own minds from what I could see.
There was also no shortage of an amplification of the message in this comic, all Western media is lying about everything all the time kinda thing. In the interest of full disclosure that’s very likely an exaggeration itself, but I’d wager closer to the truth than what’s here.
I’m not denying any of that happened any more than you’re denying what went down on my home instance. I wasn’t there
Not all western media is lying. There are a few okay podcasts, the Intercept, the Guardian is okay sometimes. Uhh… I can’t think of any others off the top of my head right now. Pretty much all Western government organizations and individuals related to foreign policy are shit, I’m afraid. Like a couple of Irish politicians and a smattering of minority party people across the EU are the only real exception.
I haven’t consumed any Western corporate media content (that wasn’t being dunked on) in years. I’m still way too aware of what’s going on in the world and wish I knew less, tbh.
Well done dropping the part where I explained that’s likely an exaggeration. The source is out in the open. You’re as free to look on my home instance as I am to look at your modlog.
I think they’d be as honest as their enemy is about them. Why would I assume that it’s only one side lying about the other?
Beyond that the best lies are rooted in truth. Honesty happens with enough frequency to make the lies credible.
Then there’s also the openness to influence I keep with people all over the world. Looking at varying points of view is so often the path to truth.
You’re as free to look on my home instance as I am to look at your modlog.
Yeah nah i’ve seen how the imperialist bigoted fuckers from your instance behaved on here so I am safe to assume that they acted as such on home turf. They fully deserved any hate they got.
I think they’d be as honest as their enemy is about them. Why would I assume that it’s only one side lying about the other?
So you deny that the combined western powers headed by america are a uniquely evil white-supremacist entity that has brought terror and misery to the people of our world?
Yeah you’re free to judge us as rude or whatever for being hateful to imperialist reactionaries, that just makes you an apologist for the latter.
Specifically here.
Which countries that currently exist have legacies that are as evil, barbaric, white supremacist, genocidal, and settler-colonial as america and its allies?
inb4 “WHAT ABOUT MUH CHINA!!! MUH RUSSIA!!!”
Neither was founded in the genocide of an entire nation’s worth of indigenous peoples, sorry.
So calling someone an ass is only ok if they were being an ass to a decent person? How far do I need to dig into someone’s post history before I can call someone being an ass to them an ass?
Which countries that currently exist have legacies that are as evil
(I cut the rest off as it wasn’t in the original dispute)
England comes to mind. Japan has had some historic shit I’m aware of. I can’t say whether China has or not because I’ve not dug into their history. Thanks for making decisions for me though I guess.
Neither was founded in the genocide of an entire nation’s worth of indigenous peoples, sorry.
For one, we don’t really know how China was founded, do we? As for Russia we’d really need to get down into Mongols and Kievan Rus and plenty of other things to make that determination.
That aside, is something founded in evil only capable of evil and something founded in good only of good? Can China and Russia do bad? Are they capable of as much evil as America?
no, they don’t have control of the global financial system and they don’t coup and murder every antagonistic government that pops up around the globe. without the power to sanction and without the will to casually destroy entire populations, they aren’t capable of anywhere near the same level of evil.
So calling someone an ass is only ok if they were being an ass to a decent person? How far do I need to dig into someone’s post history before I can call someone being an ass to them an ass?
A: “I firmly believe that NATO is a good thing for the world.”
B: “Shut the fuck up you imperialist piece of shit.”
: “ASKSHAUSDLASFDLASLDFALSDFLASLDFLASLFLLY YOU SHOULDNT BE AN ASS TO IMPERIALISTS BCUZ ADVOCATING FOR FASCISM IS OK WHEN YOU DONT USE LE INDECENT SWEAR WORDS!!!” (you)
Idgaf what you call people, you are an imperialist piece of shit either way.
England comes to mind. Japan has had some historic shit I’m aware of. (I cut the rest of your comment off because this response would make me look like a dumbass racist apologist otherwise lol)
Yes, England and Japan are both racist allies of america.
For one, we don’t really know how China was founded, do we? As for Russia we’d really need to get down into Mongols and Kievan Rus and plenty of other things to make that determination.
“AKSHUASDLFALSDFLASDLFASYDFALSDFLASDLFALSDFLASDF;LKAJSDFLKJASDLFKASLLLY WHATABOUT CHINA AND RUSSIA ARE LITERALLY AS BAD AS AMERICA BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THESE AXES FROM THE VIKING AGE…!!!”
The current nations which have the continuity of “China” and “Russia” didn’t invade their own lands, genocide the civilizations who were living there already, and establish a white-supremacist capitalist global order using slave labor.
That aside, is something founded in evil only capable of evil and something founded in good only of good? Can China and Russia do bad? Are they capable of as much evil as America?
“ACKSHUALLLLLLYYYYY WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF GOOD AND EVIL, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE GREAT PHILOSOPHY???”
I dont see how this hypothetical masturbation of the intellect is relevant to america and its allies having a historical record of perpetrating and supporting white supremacist genocides and a global system of capitalist exploitation for their interests while china and russia dont. america is fundamentally a racist, imperialist, genocidal country because the very idea of america itself is founded on the notion of white supremacy and thus the invasion of foreign lands with the former as justification for slaughtering everyone there and ruining the environment for ones personal enrichment. America literally means nothing but misery and despair for the vast majority of people on earth, everyone fucking hates it, including the remnants of the indigenous people who it genocided upon its founding. And it can mean nothing more because its like saying nazi fucking germany is “capable of good”, no it isnt, its a fascist state that was rightfully destroyed.
Fuck do you mean, Doug, are you denying all the apologia, fascism, colonialism, racism, sexism, ablism, and homophobia that occurred? And I wasn’t there but I sure hope they gave the liberals of your instance hell for their imperialist views.
They came in with broad sweeping statements and assumptions paired with judgements and wishes of harm based in nothing but their own minds from what I could see.
There was also no shortage of an amplification of the message in this comic, all Western media is lying about everything all the time kinda thing. In the interest of full disclosure that’s very likely an exaggeration itself, but I’d wager closer to the truth than what’s here.
I’m not denying any of that happened any more than you’re denying what went down on my home instance. I wasn’t there
Not all western media is lying. There are a few okay podcasts, the Intercept, the Guardian is okay sometimes. Uhh… I can’t think of any others off the top of my head right now. Pretty much all Western government organizations and individuals related to foreign policy are shit, I’m afraid. Like a couple of Irish politicians and a smattering of minority party people across the EU are the only real exception.
All media is lying to you a large part of the time. Yet it’s only Western media you seem interested in calling out on it.
On the other end most media is telling you part of the truth or telling the truth part of the time.
They called it popular politics when I was in school
Bruv Western Media is the only media I can read. I’m American. We’re ignorant as shit. If it’s not in English I can’t do anything with it.
Then learn another language. Change and grow.
But if Western media is lying and it’s all you can read then how do you know it’s lying?
They often admit their lies years after the damage has already been done. We mistake this for accountability
That still leaves you with having no handle on what the truth is today, right now if it’s the only source of truth
I haven’t consumed any Western corporate media content (that wasn’t being dunked on) in years. I’m still way too aware of what’s going on in the world and wish I knew less, tbh.
because there’s alternative analyses available. see the news megathread
Do you think that a white-supremacist imperialist nation would be honest about an enemy that it is currently at war with?
Well done dropping the part where I explained that’s likely an exaggeration. The source is out in the open. You’re as free to look on my home instance as I am to look at your modlog.
I think they’d be as honest as their enemy is about them. Why would I assume that it’s only one side lying about the other?
Beyond that the best lies are rooted in truth. Honesty happens with enough frequency to make the lies credible.
Then there’s also the openness to influence I keep with people all over the world. Looking at varying points of view is so often the path to truth.
Yeah nah i’ve seen how the imperialist bigoted fuckers from your instance behaved on here so I am safe to assume that they acted as such on home turf. They fully deserved any hate they got.
So you deny that the combined western powers headed by america are a uniquely evil white-supremacist entity that has brought terror and misery to the people of our world?
Specifically here.
So you’ll freely judge my whole instance based on your experience on your own, but I should not do the same in kind?
Yeah you’re free to judge us as rude or whatever for being hateful to imperialist reactionaries, that just makes you an apologist for the latter.
Which countries that currently exist have legacies that are as evil, barbaric, white supremacist, genocidal, and settler-colonial as america and its allies?
Neither was founded in the genocide of an entire nation’s worth of indigenous peoples, sorry.
So calling someone an ass is only ok if they were being an ass to a decent person? How far do I need to dig into someone’s post history before I can call someone being an ass to them an ass?
(I cut the rest off as it wasn’t in the original dispute)
England comes to mind. Japan has had some historic shit I’m aware of. I can’t say whether China has or not because I’ve not dug into their history. Thanks for making decisions for me though I guess.
For one, we don’t really know how China was founded, do we? As for Russia we’d really need to get down into Mongols and Kievan Rus and plenty of other things to make that determination.
That aside, is something founded in evil only capable of evil and something founded in good only of good? Can China and Russia do bad? Are they capable of as much evil as America?
yes
no, they don’t have control of the global financial system and they don’t coup and murder every antagonistic government that pops up around the globe. without the power to sanction and without the will to casually destroy entire populations, they aren’t capable of anywhere near the same level of evil.
A: “I firmly believe that NATO is a good thing for the world.”
B: “Shut the fuck up you imperialist piece of shit.”
Idgaf what you call people, you are an imperialist piece of shit either way.
Yes, England and Japan are both racist allies of america.
The current nations which have the continuity of “China” and “Russia” didn’t invade their own lands, genocide the civilizations who were living there already, and establish a white-supremacist capitalist global order using slave labor.
I dont see how this hypothetical masturbation of the intellect is relevant to america and its allies having a historical record of perpetrating and supporting white supremacist genocides and a global system of capitalist exploitation for their interests while china and russia dont. america is fundamentally a racist, imperialist, genocidal country because the very idea of america itself is founded on the notion of white supremacy and thus the invasion of foreign lands with the former as justification for slaughtering everyone there and ruining the environment for ones personal enrichment. America literally means nothing but misery and despair for the vast majority of people on earth, everyone fucking hates it, including the remnants of the indigenous people who it genocided upon its founding. And it can mean nothing more because its like saying nazi fucking germany is “capable of good”, no it isnt, its a fascist state that was rightfully destroyed.