Anyone here using devuan on servers? I typically run a release or two behind anyway so when problems come up I can quickly find solutions online, so slower releases don’t bother me. What does bother me is things that work perfectly fine until some software interferes with the tried&true methods. Maybe some day systemd will be stable enough to not screw things up after every update but I am getting tired of chasing down solutions to problems that shouldn’t exist.
My favorite systemd moment was when my (headless) box hung at boot…because I didn’t have a USB drive plugged in. The drive was listed in fstab, which was never an issue before. But without nofail, it was suddenly worth stopping the boot process.
Yeesh that’s bad. I just don’t understand the infatuation with this new startup. I mean sure it’s cool that you can have services waiting for other services before starting up, but if you’re messing around with that stuff then you should already know what order each service depends on every other service. My first experience with systemd was on a raspberry pi, and people were saying how much systemd was going to speed up boot times. Loaded up a new card, booted it up, and it took 1:35. Trashed systemd and installed sysv, and the boot time dropped to 15 seconds. Reinstall systemd and the boot time jumps back over a minute and a half again. Seriously, you want me to learn how to work with a whole new process when it can’t even handle a smooth boot?
Anyone here using devuan on servers? I typically run a release or two behind anyway so when problems come up I can quickly find solutions online, so slower releases don’t bother me. What does bother me is things that work perfectly fine until some software interferes with the tried&true methods. Maybe some day systemd will be stable enough to not screw things up after every update but I am getting tired of chasing down solutions to problems that shouldn’t exist.
My favorite systemd moment was when my (headless) box hung at boot…because I didn’t have a USB drive plugged in. The drive was listed in fstab, which was never an issue before. But without
nofail, it was suddenly worth stopping the boot process.Welp, that explains a mystery no-boot I had a few years ago.
Yeesh that’s bad. I just don’t understand the infatuation with this new startup. I mean sure it’s cool that you can have services waiting for other services before starting up, but if you’re messing around with that stuff then you should already know what order each service depends on every other service. My first experience with systemd was on a raspberry pi, and people were saying how much systemd was going to speed up boot times. Loaded up a new card, booted it up, and it took 1:35. Trashed systemd and installed sysv, and the boot time dropped to 15 seconds. Reinstall systemd and the boot time jumps back over a minute and a half again. Seriously, you want me to learn how to work with a whole new process when it can’t even handle a smooth boot?