“We believe the prerequisite for meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger Ukraine, capable of deterring and defending against any future aggression,” Blinken said in a speech in Finland, which recently became NATO’s newest member and shares a long border with Russia.

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    First treaty violations have different outcomes, tye new START treaty was a renegotation and surplanted the previous one, a treaty that said “Hey maybe dont shell donotesk and luhonsk” that was violated and attempt to peacefully remind Ukraine of their treaty obligations for 8 years calls for a little more

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      Regardless of what the treaty said, a violation cannot justify war. Sovereign nations have the right to enter and leave treaties as they see fit. That’s what sovereign means: complete authority over what takes place within its borders.

      When a sovereign nation will not abide by any treaties, the ultimate consequence is international isolation not invasion.

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        You are correct but because this acted as a defacto peace agreement, Ukraine Violating it is tantimount to breaking the peace, that is what happens when you break a peace treaty. Actions have consiquinces.

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          It was a peace agreement to end fighting within Ukrainian territory, just as the Good Friday Agreement ended fighting within Northern Ireland.

          Breaking either treaty might restart internal fighting, but it would not justify invasion of Ukraine by Russia (just as breaking the Good Friday Agreement would not justify invasion of the UK).

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            It does when by breaking the treaty there is a reforendom 2 nations break away (DPR and LPR) and then request assistance from an ally to the east.

            It would be the same as if northern ireland voted to become part of ireland, the UK said no and started to attack it, Ireland would be well within its rights to enter and protect nothern ireland

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              No, they would not. Northern Ireland is the sovereign territory of the UK. It does not matter if NI rebels “request assistance”, this does not justify an invasion.

              If that were not the case, then the rebels who are now in Belgorod could justify a NATO invasion simply by “requesting assistance”.

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                At the time of the request first the DPR abd LPR had declared independence

                Second and most importantly regardless of what the UK wants to do barring a renegotiation of the good friday accords, Northern Ireland at any time can vote to change between the 2 nations and is in a limbo, but is currently administred as a part wholy ubder UK law, because the treaty is bilateral tye UK cannot just leave, it was one of the biggest road blocks to brexit.

                If treaties worked the way you think they did they would be worth less than just words on a paper, because they would all be lies and no nation would be able to trust any other

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                  NI has the option to leave the UK only because they were given that option by the UK under the GFA. The Minsk Agreement does not contain any such provision. Hence any declaration of independence by the DPR and LPR is meaningless, just like the declaration of independence by the Confederate States of America or any potential declaration of independence by Belgorod Oblast.

                  Treaties work exactly as I described, the UK even considered reneging on the GFA as part of Brexit. Nevertheless they are not worthless, because a country that does not honor its treaties will find itself diplomatically isolated, unable to form trade agreements, etc. No country wants to end up like North Korea.