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Update to Terms of Service + New Bylaws (Protections for users) - Lemmy.World
lemmy.worldHey all, In light of recent events concerning one of our communities (/c/vegan),
we (as a team) have spent the last week working on how to address better some
concerns that had arisen between the moderators of that community and the site
admin team. We always strive to find a balance between the free expression of
communities hosted here and protecting users from potentially harmful content.
We as a team try to stick to a general rule of respect and consideration for the
physical and mental well-being of our users when drafting new rules and revising
existing ones. Furthermore, we’ve done our best to try to codify these core
beliefs into the additions to the ToS and a new by-laws section. ## ToS
Additions That being said, we will be adding a new section to our “terms of
service” concerning misinformation. While we do try to be as exact as reasonably
able, we also understand that rules can be up to interpretation as well. This is
a living document, and users are free to respectfully disagree. We as site
admins will do our best to consider the recommendations of all users regarding
potentially revising any rules. Regarding misinformation, we’ve tried our best
to capture these main ideas, which we believe are very reasonable: - Users are
encouraged to post information they believe is true and helpful. - We recommend
users conduct thorough research using reputable scientific sources. - When in
doubt, a policy of “Do No Harm”, based on the Hippocratic Oath, is a good
compass on what is okay to post. - Health-related information should ideally be
from peer-reviewed, reproducible scientific studies. - Single studies may be
valid, but often provide inadequate sample sizes for health-related advice. -
Non-peer-reviewed studies by individuals are not considered safe for health
matters. We reserve the right to remove information that could cause imminent
physical harm to any living being. This includes topics like conversion therapy,
unhealthy diets, and dangerous medical procedures. Information that could result
in imminent physical harm to property or other living beings may also be
removed. We know some folks who are free speech absolutists may disagree with
this stance, but we need to look out for both the individuals who use this site
and for the site itself. ## By-laws Addition We’ve also added a new by-laws
section as well as a result of this incident. This new section is to better
codify the course of action that should be taken by site and community
moderators when resolving conflict on the site, and also how to deal with
dormant communities. This new section provides also provides a course of action
for resolving conflict with site admin staff, should it arise. We want both the
users and moderators here to feel like they have a voice that is heard, and
essentially a contact point that they can feel safe going to, to “talk to the
manager” type situation, more or less a new Lemmy.World HR department that we’ve
created as a result of what has happened over the last week. Please feel free to
raise any questions in this thread. We encourage everyone to please take the
time to read over these new additions detailing YOUR rights and how we hope to
better protect everyone here. https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#80-misinformation
[https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#80-misinformation]
https://legal.lemmy.world/bylaws/ [https://legal.lemmy.world/bylaws/] Sincerely,
> FHF / LemmyWorld Operations Team — EDIT: We will be releasing a separate post
regarding the moderation incident in the next 24-48 hours, just getting final
approval from the team. ### EDIT 2 (2024-08-31): #### We’ve posted a response,
sorry for the delay.
#### 👉 https://lemmy.world/post/19264848 [https://lemmy.world/post/19264848] 👈
Previous Hexbear post on this issue by @ButtBidet@hexbear.net
I’m not going to weigh in on pets particularly because I don’t know enough, I’m also not vegan. I do however want to remark that you can sense the meat eating guilt and reactionary emotional defensiveness in a lot of this stuff. People feel very attacked and very defensive.
There is an underlying feeling deep down that it is wrong but because they personally enjoy it and get happy hormones when eating the topic triggers a massive emotional response.
Speculation: Eating food is probably one of the only times some people truly genuinely feel happy and is responsible for the massive defensive reaction when anyone suggests food habits should be changed. I suspect that the non-vegans that do not react poorly to the topic have much stronger sources of happiness that aren’t food.
that line of speculation is super compelling. thanks for sharing. I have had to have a lot of conversations with people about why others have such strong personal feelings about their eating habits and this speculation honestly fills in some of the gaps
ha ha
I wish more people did this about things
In hindsight it sort of sounds like I think you need to be vegan to weigh in on that. Those should be two separate things. I just wanted to mention that I’m not for the sake of the post itself. The pet part is just genuinely because I’ve looked at literally no research. I avoid forming opinions on shit I know nothing about.
Ya I think it’s cool people can just go “ya I don’t have the knowledge to weigh in on this subject”. I unironically wish people did this more.
That’s been my experience, both online and offline: the most aggressive defensive reactions seem to come from resurfacing guilt and the need to rebury that guilt by any means necessary.
I have thoughts so strap in. This is a bit of a rant trigger for me.
Food is awesomely important to humans. Every culture I have looked at (layperson, not anthropologist so there’s that) has some sort of food-hospitality ritual. Festivities have particular foods associated with them, you eat and drink certain things at weddings, funerals, birthdays, season changes, whatever. In houses it is often the kitchen which becomes the center of activity and socialisation. Food is probably involved to some degree in the vast majority of good memories you have, from meals with family, self indulgence after a hard or stressful day, meetings with friends, celebrations of achievement etc.
This isn’t that surprising, we are meat and it needs sustaining. A huge amount of effort in any individual’s life goes into securing and eating food.
But if you’re the kind of person that doesn’t view the world through a systemic lens, that looks at structural issues and ideological hegemony as a series of individual moral failings. Well someone raising veganism is obviously doing so to say that you are a bad person and you should feel guilty about all of your good memories. You see this shit directly, people constantly accuse vegans of having moral superiority complexes and wanting to shame people. Research says people vastly overestimate how negatively vegans judge non vegans. Antivegans also conveniently forget that almost every single vegan was non-vegan and thus was complicit in carnism until they were given the chance to change by someone else’s advocacy and education.
Generally the data say that people who anticipate negative judgement less from vegans are more likely to rate vegans as more moral/more positively. Notably this is true even in the absence of any actual interactions. The lashing out is massively driven by a guilt complex caused by a garbage understanding of how human societies and systemic evil actually work.
This makes me wonder if there is an approach to selling veganism that offers the same approach marxism makes when it comes to socialism - not being a moralist about it. I suspect selling to those people would be more effective without the preconceived beliefs they have about vegans and moral judgement. Maybe a specific spinoff branch of veganism without the name vegan, named intentionally to get people to ask what it is. It would potentially enable a foot in the door because it wouldn’t trigger the reactions.
Idk, figure out how to make yourself vegan and get back to me with what opened your mind?
My experience was studying/working in ag and packing chickens I loved into crates to go be murdered triggering a lifetime of guilt and a slowly narrowing list of people it was acceptable to murder for pleasure based on the latest science. Before I realised my null hypothesis was entirely fucked up and kept leading me astray. I can’t really empathise with people who aren’t acutely aware of the guilt and shame in carnism as it happened to me around the time I feel I can start recalling consistent memories (14ish) so it’s hard for me to understand what would be individually effective.
The only times I’ve managed to actually change anyone’s mind in person it has been a process of relentless reminders that another way is possible which has preventing them from embracing the “normal, natural, necessary” required to justify stuff.
Lots of activists try different things, and many studies have been done. But it appears that mind-changing happens over a long time and we’re basically highly persistent to being persuaded of anything once we form our first opinion. The best studies basically say “after such and such an intervention people rated their likelihood of going vegan higher/lower on the exit survey”. Not useless, but it’s impossible to capture what actually converts people that way.
Personally I get the most “huh” faces when I wear my elwood’s dog meat Tshirt and cause random people to come up to me and make most of the case of veganism for me in the face of my apparent inhumanity.
My reasons are dietary. I have IBS that might be crohns or worse or something else (nobody seems to reliably know) that basically makes eating right now a very annoying thing to manage. Everything I do is about being as insanely boring as possible and not upsetting my body when I am seemingly balanced.
Mayyyyybe I could figure out balancing things while also being vegan but the barrier for me is quite high, I become completely incapacitated for days at a time when something sets me off, it’s very severe, and sometimes it just happens all by itself without a trigger. Going low fodmap is helpful. But nothing reliably has fodmap testing and fodmap info isn’t on any packaging for anything despite the prevalence of bowel problems and the well researched fact that low-fodmap diets are well known to help it.
I’m not really trying to audit you it was mostly a little joke since you seem self aware but for what it’s worth I also have IBS.
I am sick a lot, but such is life. If I could make myself well by like harvesting a substance from the hearts of orphans I wouldn’t do that, and I basically feel the same way about killing non human people. That said a couple of things: if crohns get it figured out, early intervention is important, if IBS fodmap exclusoom is not considered a long term solution by the folks at Monash that discovered it anyway but rather a diagnostic test.
I have slowly improved, with gradual introduction of trigger foods. Some stuff like sprouting lentils appears to help a bit. Cooking them in alkaline water (e.g. teaspoon of bicarb). Ferments help a lot! I assume the bacteria are eating the problematic sugars.
Isolates like tvp are also great! seitan and TVP are lifesavers for me during bad flares.
I won’t lie, it’s painful and gross and I have to wear pads 24/7 for mucus leakage at unexpected times but like if I was in the middle ages with bone cancer mine would be to suffer and die, I’m in this era with shitty food options and mine is to cramp and leak.
Other options poop transplant trials? They show promising results, I’m keeping an eye out.
I wonder if this also applies to racism, sexism, etc.? Like if people who associate their positions on the hierarchy with happy memories (relationship swith their relatives, hanging out with a group of guys after school, etc.). So when you attack their position of power, they take it really personally. The “white guilt” stuff they spout is pure projection.
Now I’m wondering about how bullying the other manifests itself. It’s pretty common for white people to bond by using racism. Perhaps some chuds think fondly of the time they made fun of some gay person with their group of friends. When you tell them stuff like that is wrong, they flip the fuck out.