No idea what you want to say in the first paragraph. I understand that you think it’s toxic to have a different opinion? Pretty sure that’s not what you meant.
There is a big difference between corporations and people. Bigotry against people cannot compare to bigotry against corporations. And then there’s a difference from that to an industry. Most notably there’s something called “industry standard” which (most often) the market leader sets and the competition copies in an attempt to catch up. To resist this means to potentialy lose money, something only few companies want or tolerate.
I can recommend searching for Cory Doctorow’s idea of “Enshittification” to get an understanding why companies might use costumer favourable policies at their beginning which they revoke in favor of more money later. It’s what made Amazon big, or Facebook. I’m sure you won’t, but there might be readers of this dialogue that might be interested.
No, I don’t know Saber’s internal politics toward this, and no, I don’t share your chipper attitude towards their intentions.
I do recognize they were nice to their customers, which is a good thing. But they were recently acquired by Beacon Interactive which doesn’t even have a wikipedia page. The future remains unclear. I don’t know where their path will take them, neither do you. You trust them at your own risk.
No idea what you want to say in the first paragraph. I understand that you think it’s toxic to have a different opinion? Pretty sure that’s not what you meant.
I most likely misunderstood what you were saying so we had a miscommunication. I don’t think the miscommunication is particularly relevant so I’ll leave it at that.
There is a big difference between corporations and people. Bigotry against people cannot compare to bigotry against corporations. And then there’s a difference from that to an industry. Most notably there’s something called “industry standard” which (most often) the market leader sets and the competition copies in an attempt to catch up. To resist this means to potentialy lose money, something only few companies want or tolerate.
There is a difference between corporations and people, but the underlying fallacy is the same. If companies A, B and C are bad it doesn’t mean all the companies from D to Z are also bad. And industry standard doesn’t mean every company will follow the industry and industry standard doesn’t guarantee making money. We have a lot of examples of companies following the industry standard and flopping hard, and we have examples of companies that don’t follow the standard and are wildly successful.
I can recommend searching for Cory Doctorow’s idea of “Enshittification” to get an understanding why companies might use costumer favourable policies at their beginning which they revoke in favor of more money later. It’s what made Amazon big, or Facebook. I’m sure you won’t, but there might be readers of this dialogue that might be interested.
I’m well aware of enshittification and I completely fail to see how that’s relevant in this particular instance. In fact your entire premise of “they might add it later” makes no sense because literally the best time to have DRM is at launch when the potentially demand is the highest, and once your game is pirated the cat is out the bag and adding it later makes very little sense.
No, I don’t know Saber’s internal politics toward this, and no, I don’t share your chipper attitude towards their intentions.
That’s fine.
I do recognize they were nice to their customers, which is a good thing. But they were recently acquired by Beacon Interactive which doesn’t even have a wikipedia page. The future remains unclear. I don’t know where their path will take them, neither do you. You trust them at your own risk.
Beacon interactive was founded by the co-founder of Saber interactive for the purpose of buying out Saber from Embracer. That was literally the second result (the first one was a completely other company called Beacon Interactive Systems) on DDG if you searched for Beacon interactive. Google has the article a bit more downward as most suggestions are about that other company but in the top results are Saber interactive wiki page that has the exact same information. I can only assume that you did a search just to confirm your “company bad” bad and didn’t look any further because it took just a nudge more effort to find out that Saber interactive is effectively an independent company.
But I guess it doesn’t matter because you automatically assume company bad, so it’s not like that is going to change your mind.
The underlying fallacy might be the same, but the target is not. That makes a huge difference. Especially with the power discrepancy corporations (the big ones at least, and most others too) have compared to singular humans.
Your point with the DRM is valid, but I could just replace it in this argument with more aggressive anti-cheat. Still, it’s a good point.
I didn’t know that for Beacon Interactive. Maybe I did stumble on the other one. For me, this wasn’t even on the second page of results. My search was indeed inadequate. I blame filter bubbles. And a very stupid naming similarity. Good that you found this though.
I do see Saber (and Beacon) in a better light now, my overall attitude to corporations however won’t change. Maybe I’ll do more research before commenting. Maybe.
No idea what you want to say in the first paragraph. I understand that you think it’s toxic to have a different opinion? Pretty sure that’s not what you meant.
There is a big difference between corporations and people. Bigotry against people cannot compare to bigotry against corporations. And then there’s a difference from that to an industry. Most notably there’s something called “industry standard” which (most often) the market leader sets and the competition copies in an attempt to catch up. To resist this means to potentialy lose money, something only few companies want or tolerate.
I can recommend searching for Cory Doctorow’s idea of “Enshittification” to get an understanding why companies might use costumer favourable policies at their beginning which they revoke in favor of more money later. It’s what made Amazon big, or Facebook. I’m sure you won’t, but there might be readers of this dialogue that might be interested.
No, I don’t know Saber’s internal politics toward this, and no, I don’t share your chipper attitude towards their intentions.
I do recognize they were nice to their customers, which is a good thing. But they were recently acquired by Beacon Interactive which doesn’t even have a wikipedia page. The future remains unclear. I don’t know where their path will take them, neither do you. You trust them at your own risk.
I most likely misunderstood what you were saying so we had a miscommunication. I don’t think the miscommunication is particularly relevant so I’ll leave it at that.
There is a difference between corporations and people, but the underlying fallacy is the same. If companies A, B and C are bad it doesn’t mean all the companies from D to Z are also bad. And industry standard doesn’t mean every company will follow the industry and industry standard doesn’t guarantee making money. We have a lot of examples of companies following the industry standard and flopping hard, and we have examples of companies that don’t follow the standard and are wildly successful.
I’m well aware of enshittification and I completely fail to see how that’s relevant in this particular instance. In fact your entire premise of “they might add it later” makes no sense because literally the best time to have DRM is at launch when the potentially demand is the highest, and once your game is pirated the cat is out the bag and adding it later makes very little sense.
That’s fine.
Beacon interactive was founded by the co-founder of Saber interactive for the purpose of buying out Saber from Embracer. That was literally the second result (the first one was a completely other company called Beacon Interactive Systems) on DDG if you searched for Beacon interactive. Google has the article a bit more downward as most suggestions are about that other company but in the top results are Saber interactive wiki page that has the exact same information. I can only assume that you did a search just to confirm your “company bad” bad and didn’t look any further because it took just a nudge more effort to find out that Saber interactive is effectively an independent company.
But I guess it doesn’t matter because you automatically assume company bad, so it’s not like that is going to change your mind.
The underlying fallacy might be the same, but the target is not. That makes a huge difference. Especially with the power discrepancy corporations (the big ones at least, and most others too) have compared to singular humans.
Your point with the DRM is valid, but I could just replace it in this argument with more aggressive anti-cheat. Still, it’s a good point.
I didn’t know that for Beacon Interactive. Maybe I did stumble on the other one. For me, this wasn’t even on the second page of results. My search was indeed inadequate. I blame filter bubbles. And a very stupid naming similarity. Good that you found this though.
I do see Saber (and Beacon) in a better light now, my overall attitude to corporations however won’t change. Maybe I’ll do more research before commenting. Maybe.