Can we assume that the majority of the injured people, after these incidents are actually involved in Hezbollah? How many pagers exploded?
Unlike the attacks on Gaza, and Palestine as a whole, (yes I am assuming that this was arranged by Israel) this seems to have been a very targeted action. The explosions (that have been shown in the media) are quite small and seem to only hurt the person holding the pager. People standing next to them seem to be unhurt! On the other hand, news here mention hundreds of pagers exploding, which means that many injuries must have been collateral damages
PS. This popped up on my front page feed - I have no idea what community I am in, just hoping for logical discussions
There were at least two children murdered so not very targeted. In addition what if one of the pages had gone off on an airplane, or if someone were driving a car. This is simply terrorism.
I agree, i am simply comparing to the actions in Gaza, and asking for more information. I don’t know if pagers can receive messages while flying in an airplane, and two children amongst 3000 injuries is hell of a lot better than what they have achieved in Palestine.
I will not argue for any point, as I have pointed out that there seem to be a lot of contradicting and misleading information around on the attack. I am simply trying to dig into and compare what people are being told about it. Some places it is presented like only a handful of the injured were actual targets. Other places, they say that the majority of the injured were active key Hizbollah members, and that the media is highlighting the few innocent who were accidentally involved
I don’t have time to teach you media literacy. Obviously you’re going to compare resources, look for primary sources first of all and secondary sources etc.
Ask these questions, could the person who sent the pagers to Lebanon know who’s hands they would ultimately end up in and whose hands they were in when they were detonated?
I am sorry to take up your time, but you are welcome to now reply!
According to local news (Central Europe) the pagers were ordered by Hizbollah. Expecting them to be used by Hizbollah is therefore very likelly, especially considering the intell that Hassan Nasrallah announced in july that phones were no longer safe to use. The sender has said that they were not involved, so meddling must have been made in the transit between the sender and ther reciever.
Listen, I am not arguing any points, I am presenting the contradicting information available and asking what people around the world know. If 3000 pagers were sold to Hizbollah and 3000 got injured, that is a pretty good success, even though random innocents (including children) were affected. On the other hand, if 20 pagers were rigged, and 3000 got hurt, then it is blatant and dangerous warfare that can indeed be compared to terrorism. The information does not add up though
Sorry - I am genuinely asking, because in the media here (Central Europe), they don’t mention that probably the majority of all injuries were in fact involved with Hezbollah. What the mainstream reader will assume, and honestly also myself, is that the few killed were the “bad guys” and that the rest were civilians. At least this is what we are used to hear in the news, when Israel try to take out specific targets. I am just trying to clarify, because the news here make it seem like these injuries are made to civilians who were not related or involved. At least they make no effort to point out that most of them probably are active key persons in what many have listed as a terrorist organization
The contradicting information over here is that they do not mention how many pagers have exploded. They only say that hundreds of pagers exploded. That would suggest that it is less than 1000 and thereby a lot more collateral injuries than intended.
There are also news that two of the dead are medical staff. I know that the medical personel in many countries (including the NHS in UK! ) use pagers. Them being medic personel does not exclude the chance of them being involved in Hezbollah, but i feel that there is a lot of contradiction in this story
Can we assume that the majority of the injured people, after these incidents are actually involved in Hezbollah? How many pagers exploded?
Unlike the attacks on Gaza, and Palestine as a whole, (yes I am assuming that this was arranged by Israel) this seems to have been a very targeted action. The explosions (that have been shown in the media) are quite small and seem to only hurt the person holding the pager. People standing next to them seem to be unhurt! On the other hand, news here mention hundreds of pagers exploding, which means that many injuries must have been collateral damages
PS. This popped up on my front page feed - I have no idea what community I am in, just hoping for logical discussions
There were at least two children murdered so not very targeted. In addition what if one of the pages had gone off on an airplane, or if someone were driving a car. This is simply terrorism.
I agree, i am simply comparing to the actions in Gaza, and asking for more information. I don’t know if pagers can receive messages while flying in an airplane, and two children amongst 3000 injuries is hell of a lot better than what they have achieved in Palestine.
I will not argue for any point, as I have pointed out that there seem to be a lot of contradicting and misleading information around on the attack. I am simply trying to dig into and compare what people are being told about it. Some places it is presented like only a handful of the injured were actual targets. Other places, they say that the majority of the injured were active key Hizbollah members, and that the media is highlighting the few innocent who were accidentally involved
I don’t have time to teach you media literacy. Obviously you’re going to compare resources, look for primary sources first of all and secondary sources etc. Ask these questions, could the person who sent the pagers to Lebanon know who’s hands they would ultimately end up in and whose hands they were in when they were detonated?
I am sorry to take up your time, but you are welcome to now reply!
According to local news (Central Europe) the pagers were ordered by Hizbollah. Expecting them to be used by Hizbollah is therefore very likelly, especially considering the intell that Hassan Nasrallah announced in july that phones were no longer safe to use. The sender has said that they were not involved, so meddling must have been made in the transit between the sender and ther reciever.
Listen, I am not arguing any points, I am presenting the contradicting information available and asking what people around the world know. If 3000 pagers were sold to Hizbollah and 3000 got injured, that is a pretty good success, even though random innocents (including children) were affected. On the other hand, if 20 pagers were rigged, and 3000 got hurt, then it is blatant and dangerous warfare that can indeed be compared to terrorism. The information does not add up though
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Sorry - I am genuinely asking, because in the media here (Central Europe), they don’t mention that probably the majority of all injuries were in fact involved with Hezbollah. What the mainstream reader will assume, and honestly also myself, is that the few killed were the “bad guys” and that the rest were civilians. At least this is what we are used to hear in the news, when Israel try to take out specific targets. I am just trying to clarify, because the news here make it seem like these injuries are made to civilians who were not related or involved. At least they make no effort to point out that most of them probably are active key persons in what many have listed as a terrorist organization
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The contradicting information over here is that they do not mention how many pagers have exploded. They only say that hundreds of pagers exploded. That would suggest that it is less than 1000 and thereby a lot more collateral injuries than intended.
There are also news that two of the dead are medical staff. I know that the medical personel in many countries (including the NHS in UK! ) use pagers. Them being medic personel does not exclude the chance of them being involved in Hezbollah, but i feel that there is a lot of contradiction in this story
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