The “Uncommitted” movement seeking a change in the Democratic Party’s approach to the war in Gaza on Thursday announced it is not ready to support Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris — while urging voters not to back Republican nominee Donald Trump or third-party candidates who could help Trump win the November election.

The “Uncommitted” group “opposes a Donald Trump presidency, whose agenda includes plans to accelerate the killing in Gaza while intensifying the suppression of anti-war organizing,” the statement continues. Additionally, the group is “not recommending a third-party vote in the Presidential election, especially as third party votes in key swing states could help inadvertently deliver a Trump presidency given our country’s broken electoral college system.”

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    bashing on Harris and pushing false equivalence

    You claim the Ds and Rs are the same, but you can very clearly see that the Ds are in favor of 10% less infanticide.

    That’s the only two choices we have

    The genocidiers have us by the balls, folks. Nothing you can do but voice your full throated support for one of them.

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      The genocidiers have us by the balls, folks. Nothing you can do but voice your full throated support for one of them.

      Not only that, you must also shout down anybody who says they don’t want to support genocide. Only full loyalty is acceptable.

      Oh so you’re likely voting dem anyway because you aren’t stupid and/or racist but you also say Harris should abide by US law and stop arms sales to Israel? WOW LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A TRUMP SUPPORTER HERE BOYS

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        It is deeply fucked the way social media has conflated opposing genocide and supporting The Other Team.

        Really reeks of the Bush Era “You’re with us or you’re with the Terrorists!” when it came time to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

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      Don’t you understand the difference? All of them can die of rape and starvation as of now or all of them can die of rape and starvation while Trump is president.

      CaNt YoU SeE tHE DiFeReNcE? (This was annoying to type on mobile.)

      These people are delusional. Somehow there’s many situations we can’t do anything about (like our politicians cannot even show disapproval over rape country called Israel even though we are their biggest benefactors) yet somehow not voting Democrat is the end of the world. We cannot do anything to make anything better but putting pressure on politicians is also bad. Oh, how convenient. Why can’t they admit they have to think of their own interests first (at least the few things the Democrats will allow them).

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        CaNt YoU SeE tHE DiFeReNcE? (This was annoying to type on mobile.)

        A for effort

        Somehow there’s many situations we can’t do anything about (like our politicians cannot even show disapproval over rape country called Israel even though we are their biggest benefactors) yet somehow not voting Democrat is the end of the world.

        Was listening to a WTYP episode about stealth jets, and they priced all the different kinds of aircraft in “multiples of ending national poverty”. ($10B is the current working figure)

        The F-22s we used to shot down Chinese weather super spy balloons came in at 20x the cost. That’s the only combat mission the plane has flown since it entered service over a decade ago.

        Why can’t they admit they have to think of their own interests first

        These numbers are so big and these systems are so vast that it’s easy to lose sight of them entirely. The idea that we could all live very comfortable happy lives if a tiny minority were to stop the war profiteering is very difficult for your retail Democrat voter to grasp.

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          That’s the only combat mission the plane has flown since it entered service over a decade ago.

          Interesting story. I do wonder if any of this equipment was made to be used or is there “just in case.”

          The idea that we could all live very comfortable happy lives if a tiny minority were to stop the war profiteering is very difficult for your retail Democrat voter to grasp.

          This is a great summary of the issue.

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      So you’re saying I should still vote for infanticide? I don’t want that kind of blood on my hands. That’s the issue in the Trolley Problem.

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        Not voting is just allowing the worse option which still puts blood on your hands. Inaction still has consequences.

        We don’t live in a world where we have the ability to be completely pure, it’s an option that simply doesn’t exist unfortunately. :(

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        I don’t want that kind of blood on my hands.

        The joke of the modern American electoral system is that all the “viable” candidates are bloody. And if you abstain from voting or vote third party, you’re accused of supporting the winning candidate, regardless of your personal politics.

        That is, I think, a big part of what drives the street protests. Americans who don’t want to be complicit in this barbarity have no other actionable way to express their condemnation.

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      The path to ending the conflict is through boycotts, not the president. But that takes time, so 10% less killing makes sense as a stop gap.

      There is precedent for this. See apartheid South Africa. Palestinian freedom will seem impossible until it becomes inevitable.

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        The path to ending the conflict is through boycotts, not the president.

        US House overwhelmingly passes anti-BDS resolution

        We’ve already seen individual states go so far as to issue state sanctions aimed at BDS movements. US House Resolution 246 seems to be an exercise in vote counting by the AIPAC Lobby to advance a national bill to the same effect.

        Palestinian freedom will seem impossible until it becomes inevitable.

        The South African Apartheid system likely would have held up indefinitely if the US was the only country involved deciding its fate. And the Afrikaners had far less influence over the US Congress than the Israel lobby.

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          Pressure needs to be applied everywhere, from awareness by friends/family to personal BDS to local representatives to DNC delegates to Presidents. Anti-genocide and anti-apartheid momentum has made great strides in the last year, it’s critical to keep that momentum growing. This will definitely be more difficult than the South African Anti-Apartheid movement

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      You claim the Ds and Rs are the same, but you can very clearly see that the Ds are in favor of 10% less infanticide.

      Be fair. They’re in favor of 10% slower infanticide.