I had basically given up on electoralism for years at this point.
I do not believe the western working class by and large has any revolutionary potential, basically JDPON-pilled.
But the genocide in Palestine really made me more invested in this whole dog and pony show again.
I guess I figured likeā¦sure bourgeoise democracy will not bring about socialism, but at the very least you can still get some concessions potentially out of it.
Perhaps I was naive, but likeā¦I wanted to hope there was some way the Democrats could be convinced to stop it by November, even if it was electoralist bullshit I feel like the Palestinians deserved (and still deserve) even a futile attempt.
But seeing the shit with the DSA, especially the SMC and Groundwork caucuses, seeing unions who oppose the genocide endorse Biden/Harris right out the gate, seeing the Uncommitted movement do the same while the Harris campaign has done nothing but spit in their faceā¦.
I am filled with a helpless rage. Americans are the most pathetic contemptible creatures on this earth.
IāM NOT EVEN ASKING FOR SOCIALISM! ALL IāM ASKING FOR IS THE DEMOCRATS TO COME AROUND ON AN ISSUE 77% OF DEMOCRATS AND 61% OF AMERICANS OPPOSE!
BUT EVEN THAT IS TOO MUCH, TOO HARD FOR THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO FIGHT FOR EVEN WHEN IT IS ALLEDGELY THEIR WHOLE REASON FOR EXISTING!!
I knew Americans were useless and selfish, and short-sighted and stupidā¦but I didnāt think they were to this extent.
That was my mistake I guess.
unless he wins a state by one vote, it makes no difference. If he wins by multiple votes, specifically due to low turnout from low enthusiasm for Harris, then itās her fault as a candidate for not appealing to the electorate.
Yeah, it would absolutely be her fault. Wouldnāt help Palestine much thoughā¦
Youāre implying that me voting for Harris would help Palestine, but in the scenario I just laid out, my vote is not enough to have changed the outcome!
Her winning wouldnāt either, by her own admission.
No, I agree. I think that Palestine isnāt the only issue that matters, though, and sheād be different than Trump on a lot of other issues. Female reproductive health, appointing judges, having a working FTC and FCC. So if Iām going to withold my vote to help Palestine, Iād like some reason to believe it would actually help them.
motherfucker just look at all the fucking nothing Biden has done on that. Roe v Wade overturned on his watch and the only response wasā¦ nothing! Telling you to fucking vote! Heās already in fucking office, stupid!
christ your fucking lemmy instance is rivaled only by that stupid fucking star wars one for random ass shitlibbery
Iāve tried using this line of argument on a lib (my mother). It doesnāt work. Her response was āBiden is super catholic and had a hard time even saying the word āabortionā. Kamala is a pro-choice woman, so of course sheāll be better about reproductive rights.ā In my mind that response is almost delusional, itās clear to me that abortion is too potent a political football to ever be truly āsolvedā. Democrats will pay lip-service to it to gain votes and then do fucking nothing to protect reproductive rights. But in the lib mind, since Kamala is a āprogressiveā (ha) woman, abortion rights are as good as saved, even though weāve had a democrat in office for the last four years and reproductive rights are more under threat than theyāve ever been.
I donāt know how to get through to people, I think sometimes you just canāt.
Has Kamala even said sheāll do anything about abortion? Like we all know Obama lied about codifying Roe to gain votes, but she hasnāt even gone that far AFAIK.