I had basically given up on electoralism for years at this point.
I do not believe the western working class by and large has any revolutionary potential, basically JDPON-pilled.

But the genocide in Palestine really made me more invested in this whole dog and pony show again.
I guess I figured likeā€¦sure bourgeoise democracy will not bring about socialism, but at the very least you can still get some concessions potentially out of it.
Perhaps I was naive, but likeā€¦I wanted to hope there was some way the Democrats could be convinced to stop it by November, even if it was electoralist bullshit I feel like the Palestinians deserved (and still deserve) even a futile attempt.

But seeing the shit with the DSA, especially the SMC and Groundwork caucuses, seeing unions who oppose the genocide endorse Biden/Harris right out the gate, seeing the Uncommitted movement do the same while the Harris campaign has done nothing but spit in their faceā€¦.

I am filled with a helpless rage. Americans are the most pathetic contemptible creatures on this earth.

Iā€™M NOT EVEN ASKING FOR SOCIALISM! ALL Iā€™M ASKING FOR IS THE DEMOCRATS TO COME AROUND ON AN ISSUE 77% OF DEMOCRATS AND 61% OF AMERICANS OPPOSE!
BUT EVEN THAT IS TOO MUCH, TOO HARD FOR THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO FIGHT FOR EVEN WHEN IT IS ALLEDGELY THEIR WHOLE REASON FOR EXISTING!!

I knew Americans were useless and selfish, and short-sighted and stupidā€¦but I didnā€™t think they were to this extent.
That was my mistake I guess.

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    unless he wins a state by one vote, it makes no difference. If he wins by multiple votes, specifically due to low turnout from low enthusiasm for Harris, then itā€™s her fault as a candidate for not appealing to the electorate.

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      Yeah, it would absolutely be her fault. Wouldnā€™t help Palestine much thoughā€¦

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          No, I agree. I think that Palestine isnā€™t the only issue that matters, though, and sheā€™d be different than Trump on a lot of other issues. Female reproductive health, appointing judges, having a working FTC and FCC. So if Iā€™m going to withold my vote to help Palestine, Iā€™d like some reason to believe it would actually help them.

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            Female reproductive health, appointing judges, having a working FTC and FCC

            motherfucker just look at all the fucking nothing Biden has done on that. Roe v Wade overturned on his watch and the only response wasā€¦ nothing! Telling you to fucking vote! Heā€™s already in fucking office, stupid!

            christ your fucking lemmy instance is rivaled only by that stupid fucking star wars one for random ass shitlibbery

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              motherfucker just look at all the fucking nothing Biden has done on that. Roe v Wade overturned on his watch and the only response wasā€¦ nothing!

              Iā€™ve tried using this line of argument on a lib (my mother). It doesnā€™t work. Her response was ā€œBiden is super catholic and had a hard time even saying the word ā€˜abortionā€™. Kamala is a pro-choice woman, so of course sheā€™ll be better about reproductive rights.ā€ In my mind that response is almost delusional, itā€™s clear to me that abortion is too potent a political football to ever be truly ā€œsolvedā€. Democrats will pay lip-service to it to gain votes and then do fucking nothing to protect reproductive rights. But in the lib mind, since Kamala is a ā€œprogressiveā€ (ha) woman, abortion rights are as good as saved, even though weā€™ve had a democrat in office for the last four years and reproductive rights are more under threat than theyā€™ve ever been.

              I donā€™t know how to get through to people, I think sometimes you just canā€™t. sadness

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                Has Kamala even said sheā€™ll do anything about abortion? Like we all know Obama lied about codifying Roe to gain votes, but she hasnā€™t even gone that far AFAIK.

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        Youā€™re implying that me voting for Harris would help Palestine, but in the scenario I just laid out, my vote is not enough to have changed the outcome!