I mean the actual medicine part. When I think about it, there are still no cures for the major things that ail us (e.g. cancer, etc.). China cured that one guy from his diabetes, but I haven’t heard anything beyond that.

The “promise” of stem cell technology from 20 years ago still hasn’t amounted to anything that your average person can get (and there are all sorts of shady overseas places that give ppl “stem cell” injections, but honestly we should have figured out that shit by now).

If you tear a ligament/tendon, guess what, that shit will never heal back to 100%, and the “oh just rest and do physical therapy” shit is annoying because you’re only really working around the problem and not solving it.

On top of that, as you get older it’s harder for your body to heal from injuries, sickness, etc. and I’ve yet to see any legit progress on anti-aging. If your heart is damaged or arteries clogged, I don’t see any way to reverse it.

And after covid, it’s all been fucked. How many people have long covid and the medical establishment just throws it’s hands up shrug-outta-hecks basically treating an entire segment of the population as though it was a bad crop yield ("I guess there’s always the next batch!!).

And doctors themselves are often the biggest dipshits out there. They are high off their own supply because they’re “smart” and lack the empathy to actually listen to patients. Either they’re older conservative types or younger lib dipshits. And there are so many horror stories about nurses that talk shit about patients. It’s just dismal.

The common reply is that “biology is hard” but honestly that’s a WEAK excuse. So many advances were made in the past, and there are so many more to be made. An actual concerted international effort, unhindered by profit motives and fucking insurance, hospital, pharmaceutical industries, etc. would almost certainly yield results. I mean look at Cuba coming up with a lung cancer vaccine and curing HIV in an infant. Look at China curing diabetes in that one guy. These advances are possible, but honestly they aren’t coming fast enough. If you’re suffering from a terrible disease/ailment, the “promise” of a new drug that still may be 10 years away is just terrible.

So even if we had 100% socialism now with free healthcare, there are still so many things that need to be addressed. I can’t help but think that had the Soviet Union not fallen, we would have had cures for many things. Hopefully xi-beard can do something about this, but overall I’m still super bummed that the future we dreamed has not materialized.

  • MaeBorowski [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    33·
    3 months ago

    Yeah but this is what people say to dismiss socialism/communism. “It’s too complex, human nature, etc. etc.”

    Sure but lots of things are “hard.” Or “complex.” That’s what zionists say about Israel (“oh it’s soooo complex!”) when we know for damn sure it’s not.

    You keep trotting this out but it’s a ridiculous (and frustrating) comparison. People (libs/chuds) will often say “starving millions of people is bad” to “dismiss communism.” It doesn’t mean that the opposite is true and that “starving millions of people” is actually good. Those who say that it is bad are right. It is bad. It just doesn’t apply to the Soviet Union or communism but it does apply to other circumstances (like Churchill’s evil, racist, and fully intentional genocidal policies causing four million people to starve to death during the Bengal “famine” in 1943). Just because people use a truism to sometimes criticize a thing unjustifiably, that doesn’t mean the truism is false. Some things actually are inherent human nature, it’s just that market competition isn’t one of them. Some things actually are complex, it’s just that the Isntreal-Palestine conflict isn’t one of them. Etc.

    I can’t believe I’m reading this here and I’m not convinced you aren’t a troll. Modern medicine is a fucking miracle of human accomplishment, and while it’s not cured us of death or the human condition, and despite how much it is disgustingly hampered and distorted by capitalism, we are profoundly lucky to live in an age where so many of the conditions that have caused untold human suffering and death for the entire existence of our species are now nothing more than a minor inconvenience. I for one, without question, would not be alive without “modern medicine.”

    • bidenicecream@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      62·
      3 months ago

      You keep trotting this out but it’s a ridiculous (and frustrating) comparison.

      Yeah that’s your opinion. It seems quite apt to me. People, including leftists, thought Palestinian liberation was doomed, but the Oct. 7 happened. No one predicted the Russian Revolution (i.e. the whole “years happen in weeks” thing). You might not like the comparison, but again that’s what YOU think. Others think quite differently.

      It just doesn’t apply to the Soviet Union or communism but it does apply to other circumstances

      Ok so “thing I think is right” is applicable, but “thing I think is wrong” is not applicable. Cool. bean . I could say the same thing about my position.

      Some things actually are complex, it’s just that the Isntreal-Palestine conflict isn’t one of them. Etc.

      Yeah and the ppl who think so are wrong, and I agree with you. But YOU could be wrong about the degree of “complexity” of the human body as well.

      I for one, without question, would not be alive without “modern medicine.”

      Yeah, probably most of us. But that doesn’t invalidate anything that I said in my post. Anyways it’s clear no one will be “right” until a breakthrough/revolution either happens or doesn’t happen. So that’s all I guess.

      • MaeBorowski [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        23·
        3 months ago

        So your entire argument comes down to “there’s no such thing as consensus reality, it’s all just like your opinion, man!” Got it, you are deeply unserious.

        But YOU could be wrong about the degree of “complexity” of the human body as well.

        lol. Ok, troll.

        But that doesn’t invalidate anything that I said in my post.

        But that’s just your opinion. MY opinion is that it literally did invalidate everything you said in your post, and opinion is the only thing that is real or matters, remember.

        • muslimmarxist [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          I kinda see what OP is saying and empathize a little bit. I mean it really is how you view it I guess.

          I can’t believe I’m reading this here and I’m not convinced you aren’t a troll.

          Also, it seems like both your accounts are about the same age.

          lol. Ok, troll.

          Ok now you’re wrecker-jacketing. Gonna report this.

          • MaeBorowski [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
            20·
            3 months ago

            Ok, well if you’re going to go to bat for a troll who baits serious discussion with takes like “biological complexity is nothing more than opinion,” who is literally saying that those who point out the fact that biology is complex are like Zionists calling their settler-colonial apartheid state complex, and use my account age to somehow equivocate us, then why don’t you also compare what comes up for our usernames in the modlog? Then, I don’t know, maybe consider reporting yourself for abuse of the report function? shrug-outta-hecks

          • hypercracker@hexbear.netEnglish
            11·
            3 months ago

            “I am being lied to about how complicated human biology is” is up there with the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, come on lol. It is not “how you view it”. None of this information is hidden, all of it is out there.

            Also, it seems like both your accounts are about the same age.

            Imagine being on this website and not deleting your account every few months.