Something that’s crucial for the rock stacking: On the one side was a hydrologist with sources and calm and patient reasoning explaining how that, yes while climate change and ecoside is a result of this capitalist system and as such there is no individual solutions to it, in this instance your individual actions are actually very harmful, so please don’t stack rocks. It’s not just a tiny thing, it’s actually very harmful, so please don’t stack rocks.
On the other side was a mix of users going either “yeah, but I just feel like it isn’t an issue” and users going “fuck you I’m gonna stack rocks anyway” as if rock-stacking was their livelyhood and users trying to rules-lawyer the thing like “what if it isn’t a running stream? What if I’m in a desert? What if it’s volcanic rocks?” The reaction was wildly outsized, but apparently hexbear has a large rock-stacking userbase.
On the other side was a mix of users going either “yeah, but I just feel like it isn’t an issue” and users going “fuck you I’m gonna stack rocks anyway” as if rock-stacking was their livelyhood and users trying to rules-lawyer the thing like “what if it isn’t a running stream? What if I’m in a desert? What if it’s volcanic rocks?” The reaction was wildly outsized, but apparently hexbear has a large rock-stacking userbase
Critical stage “let people enjoy things” ideology, right there, where it’s so spiteful against even the slightest suggestion of behavior improvement that rock stacking becomes a weird contrarian mandate to stick it to the scolds.
Ok, but what about this one beach in Bretagne, France, where people have been stacking rocks for years and there are actually some pretty impressive stacks?
(/s, tho there actually is a place like that and I now have conflicted feelings about it)
Eh. This still remains clearly a product of Ameri-centrism in my mind: An America-only issue was being touted as a global problem everyone should be aware of, so everybody else in the world who has never seen or even imagined this weird shit will regard it as so uncommon as to not matter. And no, I don’t think one side was being particularly more ‘calm and patient’ than the other.
What are you talking about? The thing was a user that shared how a specific practice was bad. The practice itself is not one tied to a specific region, nor where any of the disagreements rooted in specific regions or culture tied to specific regions. How is “stacking rocks” American? Are other people’s incapable of stacking rocks? Do they not have water streams?
How is “stacking rocks is very bad for the streams” an American issue? People everywhere do it. It isn’t even an outspread thing. The user just posted about it to discourage others. It was so minor. I’m not even american myself, and I (thankfully) dont live in the us. It was still relevant to me.
I’m also kinda sick of the “it’s America centric” what if it was? A large part of the userbase is american? Are they not allowed to discuss things relevant to America?
I have literally never heard of it happening anywhere else in the world. I never said American things couldn’t be talked about, but talking about it like it’s a ubiquitous practice, and then getting angry at people who don’t understand why it’s an issue, is just miscommunication, not a big disagreement. And miscommunications caused by America-centrism is a very tiring affair on the internet. Just prepend the post with “Hey Americans:” and there wouldn’t have been any real discussion.
but talking about it like it’s a ubiquitous practice, and then getting angry at people who don’t understand why it’s an issue, is just miscommunication.
I have no idea how you could possibly have gotten that from what I wrote.
At no point did I mention America, yet it’s somehow American because you haven’t heard of it?
At no point did I say it was ubiquitous (in fact I’ve just said it wasn’t).
At no point was the issue one of something widespread being bad.
At no point did I write that they talked about it like it’s a common thing.
You are reading what you want, rather than what the text says.
A user calmy and patiently explained why and how stacking rocks near waterstreams was bad. This made other users irrationally angry.
The issue was never one of miscommunication, as I have written already. The whole thing was communicated clearly. Users that understood what the practice was, and understood the reasoning for it being bad, were angry that they were being told it was bad and they shouldn’t do it.
I’m really struggling to see how you could have gotten any of this from what I wrote. Did you learn to read in that weird way where you just memorized the shape of words, rather than the phonics of letters?
Hey Americans:" and there wouldn’t have been any real discussion.
I was literally in that struggle thread (different account) - I wasn’t claiming you said certain things, I was commenting on what that thread was. Unless we’re talking about entirely different threads about the same thing.
I was also in that thread at the time.
I assumed you were claiming I said these things, as I’d already once asked how you thought it was an American thing, and since you were using “you” phrases. I guess that’s the problem with English where the plural and the personal is the same.
It was at no point an american thing specifically, so I still don’t get how you think it is americacentric. The fact that you haven’t heard of it outside such a context doesn’t mean it is, certainly not when you’ve been informed that it was relevant outside such a context. Taking care of nature is relevant across borders.
As I’ve already said, I’m not american, but it was relevant to me.
On the other side was a mix of users going either “yeah, but I just feel like it isn’t an issue” and users going “fuck you I’m gonna stack rocks anyway” as if rock-stacking was their livelyhood and users trying to rules-lawyer the thing like “what if it isn’t a running stream? What if I’m in a desert? What if it’s volcanic rocks?” The reaction was wildly outsized, but apparently hexbear has a large rock-stacking userbase
More like a userbase of nerds who never leave their houses since it’s impossible to go camping and not be hit with signs like these. That whole stupid struggle session was a bunch of nerds who never went camping and seeing decades-old signs about how you’re not supposed to disturb the environment like picking up stream rocks trying to argue that not disturbing the environment like picking up stream rocks is somehow ultraleftism.
I forgot how they started arguing against leave no trace as well lol. It was honestly infuriating.
I remember someone going “I just don’t think it matters if I mess up a flower bloom or stack some rocks” and then they were told that it did matter and how it mattered and they just went “yeah I just don’t think that makes sense.”
Lot of “well but what if I wanna stack rocks?” And “what if I’m terminally depressed and stacking rocks is my only outlet?”
I remember reading that thread when it happened, and thinking how ridiculous that all was. Like, it was something I’d never really thought much about but I was just like oh ok, that makes sense, I’ll be sure to remember not to fuck around with rocks. The responses were baffling. Do you have the link so I could revisit it?
Something that’s crucial for the rock stacking: On the one side was a hydrologist with sources and calm and patient reasoning explaining how that, yes while climate change and ecoside is a result of this capitalist system and as such there is no individual solutions to it, in this instance your individual actions are actually very harmful, so please don’t stack rocks. It’s not just a tiny thing, it’s actually very harmful, so please don’t stack rocks.
On the other side was a mix of users going either “yeah, but I just feel like it isn’t an issue” and users going “fuck you I’m gonna stack rocks anyway” as if rock-stacking was their livelyhood and users trying to rules-lawyer the thing like “what if it isn’t a running stream? What if I’m in a desert? What if it’s volcanic rocks?” The reaction was wildly outsized, but apparently hexbear has a large rock-stacking userbase.
Edit: found the original thread https://hexbear.net/post/249555?scrollToComments=false
Critical stage “let people enjoy things” ideology, right there, where it’s so spiteful against even the slightest suggestion of behavior improvement that rock stacking becomes a weird contrarian mandate to stick it to the scolds.
Ok, but what about this one beach in Bretagne, France, where people have been stacking rocks for years and there are actually some pretty impressive stacks? (/s, tho there actually is a place like that and I now have conflicted feelings about it)
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Eh. This still remains clearly a product of Ameri-centrism in my mind: An America-only issue was being touted as a global problem everyone should be aware of, so everybody else in the world who has never seen or even imagined this weird shit will regard it as so uncommon as to not matter. And no, I don’t think one side was being particularly more ‘calm and patient’ than the other.
What are you talking about? The thing was a user that shared how a specific practice was bad. The practice itself is not one tied to a specific region, nor where any of the disagreements rooted in specific regions or culture tied to specific regions. How is “stacking rocks” American? Are other people’s incapable of stacking rocks? Do they not have water streams?
How is “stacking rocks is very bad for the streams” an American issue? People everywhere do it. It isn’t even an outspread thing. The user just posted about it to discourage others. It was so minor. I’m not even american myself, and I (thankfully) dont live in the us. It was still relevant to me.
I’m also kinda sick of the “it’s America centric” what if it was? A large part of the userbase is american? Are they not allowed to discuss things relevant to America?
I have literally never heard of it happening anywhere else in the world. I never said American things couldn’t be talked about, but talking about it like it’s a ubiquitous practice, and then getting angry at people who don’t understand why it’s an issue, is just miscommunication, not a big disagreement. And miscommunications caused by America-centrism is a very tiring affair on the internet. Just prepend the post with “Hey Americans:” and there wouldn’t have been any real discussion.
I have no idea how you could possibly have gotten that from what I wrote.
At no point did I mention America, yet it’s somehow American because you haven’t heard of it?
At no point did I say it was ubiquitous (in fact I’ve just said it wasn’t).
At no point was the issue one of something widespread being bad.
At no point did I write that they talked about it like it’s a common thing.
You are reading what you want, rather than what the text says.
A user calmy and patiently explained why and how stacking rocks near waterstreams was bad. This made other users irrationally angry.
The issue was never one of miscommunication, as I have written already. The whole thing was communicated clearly. Users that understood what the practice was, and understood the reasoning for it being bad, were angry that they were being told it was bad and they shouldn’t do it.
I’m really struggling to see how you could have gotten any of this from what I wrote. Did you learn to read in that weird way where you just memorized the shape of words, rather than the phonics of letters?
Again, it has nothing to do with America at all.
I was literally in that struggle thread (different account) - I wasn’t claiming you said certain things, I was commenting on what that thread was. Unless we’re talking about entirely different threads about the same thing.
I was also in that thread at the time.
I assumed you were claiming I said these things, as I’d already once asked how you thought it was an American thing, and since you were using “you” phrases. I guess that’s the problem with English where the plural and the personal is the same.
It was at no point an american thing specifically, so I still don’t get how you think it is americacentric. The fact that you haven’t heard of it outside such a context doesn’t mean it is, certainly not when you’ve been informed that it was relevant outside such a context. Taking care of nature is relevant across borders.
As I’ve already said, I’m not american, but it was relevant to me.
Here’s the original thread, determine for yourself if you want
More like a userbase of nerds who never leave their houses since it’s impossible to go camping and not be hit with signs like these. That whole stupid struggle session was a bunch of nerds who never went camping and seeing decades-old signs about how you’re not supposed to disturb the environment like picking up stream rocks trying to argue that not disturbing the environment like picking up stream rocks is somehow ultraleftism.
I forgot how they started arguing against leave no trace as well lol. It was honestly infuriating.
I remember someone going “I just don’t think it matters if I mess up a flower bloom or stack some rocks” and then they were told that it did matter and how it mattered and they just went “yeah I just don’t think that makes sense.”
Lot of “well but what if I wanna stack rocks?” And “what if I’m terminally depressed and stacking rocks is my only outlet?”
It was a real low point for the site
I remember reading that thread when it happened, and thinking how ridiculous that all was. Like, it was something I’d never really thought much about but I was just like oh ok, that makes sense, I’ll be sure to remember not to fuck around with rocks. The responses were baffling. Do you have the link so I could revisit it?
Took some searching @CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net was the hydrologist. The thread, for your viewing pleasure.
Death to them!
Thank you!