• Rapidcreek@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    There were high level diplomatic discussions between the US and Cuba in 2016. The result of which Raul Castro announced he would not stand for re election. Fidel, who was still alive, seemed good with this. Then, the brothers Castro re reversed themselves. They conducted the same old shame elections. As usual, they wanted their cake and eat it too. Congress, particularly Cuban American members, became more more reluctant to continue the diplomatic thaw.

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      15 days ago

      Ok, so no actual deal right? Just discussions. Gotcha.

      So in the absence of any actual deal that was supposedly reneged on Cuba’s part. What’s the justification of the sanctions imposed by Trump and Biden, and it’s continuation of it?

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          No actual documents exist for the diplomc thaw.

          Because they don’t exist.

          You’re link is for 2019. Biden ran in 2020 and he included in his platform to move towards normalizing relationships with Cuba. He has since decided to impose even more sanctions which had a direct negative result on the Cuban economy making them much more vulnerable to disasters like this. So again, what are the justifications of the sanctions?

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            14 days ago

            They do exist. There were at least 4 rounds of diplomatic discussions. Notes were taken.

            The link still stands at State. It’s the current position.

            What new sanctions? Specifics.

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              14 days ago

              They do exist. There were at least 4 rounds of diplomatic discussions. Notes were taken.

              Ok so show me evidence of this supposed deal then.

              The link still stands at State. It’s the current position.

              And Biden campaigned on changing it but broke that promise.

              What new sanctions? Specifics.

              It’s literally in the article as well as one of the excerpts I quoted to you in my first comment:

              Instead, Biden has one-upped Trump by going further than the previous administration in attacking Cuba’s tourism industry – the main engine of the island’s economy. Two years ago, the Biden State Department barred foreigners who visit Cuba from visa-free travel to the U.S.

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                14 days ago

                Thats not new, the US can and does bar travel in the US based on previous travel. Post 911, if you visit a terrorist state, you don’t get to roam the US. But, it’s interesting that you blame Cuba’s electrical grid failure on it.

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                  14 days ago

                  Ok now you’re really just being intentionally obtuse. The terrorist designation was older than the Biden administration. The limitations on the tourism was during the Biden administration.

                  But, it’s interesting that you blame Cuba’s electrical grid failure on it.

                  I blame American sanctions on Cuba’s inability to adequately help it’s people during a disaster, yes.

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                    14 days ago

                    It’s not obtuse, it’s a fact. Maybe just realized as a fact, but a fact nonetheless.

                    First, the way the Caribbean countries work, the original ownership countries are supposed to help out after disasters and sometimes they dont. So the british are reactive usually. France sometimes. Dutch do what they can. US should always be there for Puerto Rico and the VI.

                    I guess it would be Spain for Cuba. Have they asked? Has Cuba asked the US? Personally I’d be all for helping. To a point.