[alt text: a screenshot of a tweet by @delaney_nolan, which says, “Biden/Harris saw this polling and decided to keep unconditionally arming Israel”. Below the tweet is a screenshot from an article, which states: “In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.”]

    • YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub
      22·
      22 days ago

      I absolutely agree with you 100%. That still doesn’t address the fact that many people were less likely to vote for Harris if she continued to want to arm Israel. The stick of Trump was effective for getting yours and mine vote. Some other people needed the carrot of ending the Gaza Genocide. If they would have done the right thing, they had a chance of motivating those voters.

      • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
        20·
        22 days ago

        That still doesn’t address the fact that many people were less likely to vote for Harris if she continued to want to arm Israel.

        There have always been holocausts going on, somewhere in the world. A lot of times, the US is involved.

        For a certain audience, the narrative was that Biden caused inflation and Trump would rescue them and make their economic lives easy. And look at that, they bought it. Even though it was opposite-land bullshit.

        For a certain audience, the narrative was that Biden caused the holocaust in Gaza. And look at that, they bought it. There was some validity. But the new thing was that it was hugely important, all over their social media, and Biden was responsible, and it defined his presidency in a way that 100 other things he did failed to do.

        It only got presented and spread so widely and presented so singularly as a Democrats-only issue, without acknowledgement that Trump will be ten times worse, a hundred times worse, because that presentation would hurt the Democrats.

        There were other narratives in the same way. Immigration, either that Biden was too kind or too mean. Oldness and feebleness. Policing. The truth or falsehood didn’t matter. They were expertly crafted.

        And the result? Now, after people bought and acted on them, hook line and sinker?

        Buddy just you fucking wait. Gaza will get much worse, of course, but it will barely even register as a major problem, by the time all of this is said and done.

        Whoever made the narratives got their fucking money’s worth, and then some.

        Edit: It should be said that I think “It’s not the voters’ fault. It’s Harris’s fault that she didn’t earn the votes.” is another of those narratives. You’ve probably seen it a few times today. Why they’re spending effort on pushing that new one, all of a sudden right after the election, I have no idea. It barely matters. But if you take a step back and think, it’s a pretty weird thing to decide is important to say, if you’re trying to do anything other than further depress support for anything left that’s in power, and soothe the consciences of people who might have been involved in this catastrophe from the voter side.

        • SoylentBlake@lemm.eeEnglish
          5·
          22 days ago

          Buddy, I don’t disagree with you, I actually vehemently agree with most everything here BUT you still gotta beat the spread. You got to play the game better than the refs. All the nuance in the world doesn’t matter, you still gotta deliver and Harris didn’t.

          • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
            11·
            22 days ago
            • Media fault: 20%
            • Putin / Musk / etc interference fault: 25%
            • America dumb fault: 30%
            • Long history of shitty Democrats fault: 15%
            • Kamala Harris fault: 10%

            Sure, you can say she shouldn’t have done the 10%. Would it have been enough? After watching what Biden did and how people reacted to him, probably not.

            But anyway, we’ll never know. Also, I don’t know why the 10% is the most important part, to you. The other parts are fixable, going forward.

            Well, maybe not now.

            (Edit: Math is hard)

            • SoylentBlake@lemm.eeEnglish
              2·
              22 days ago

              Its not actually, I just said in the end, she had to produce and she didn’t. I blame the media the most, but they’re just the propaganda arm of the oligarchy.

      • averyminya@beehaw.org
        8·
        22 days ago

        People had the opportunity to not vote for Harris and still vote for other elected representatives in the senate. Not voting was a better option it seems.

    • derbis@beehaw.org
      6·
      22 days ago

      I can’t believe how often I have to repeat this but: remember the electoral college? Your vote for President only matters if you live in one of a few states. Your full stop is premature.

    • Didros@beehaw.org
      2·
      22 days ago

      Does KH & TW not changing stance on this issue not mean they are A-OK with full-fascist America then?