• Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
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    16 days ago

    A day before the match

    So a whole day later, and people organized an indiscriminate attack against Israelis…

    Sorry, you can’t support this unless you believe that violence is an appropriate response to another person’s national origin.

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        16 days ago

        You can’t just start hitting a random person of the same origin and claim this to be justified.

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          16 days ago

          The victim mentality is just in your head. Others just see an asshole who is burning down your flag and abusing you with death threats.

          You pretend as if your nationality is visible to people like a banner… but it’s not. It’s just your behavior.

          When you behave like an asshole and indulge in violence and spew hatred you expect people to respect your origin?

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          Also: you should look at yourself in the mirror. These so called football fans were saying “Fuck Arabs”. You’re a hypocrite if you think this is ok, but then shomehow think Jews are targeted for being jews but not the threatening of Arabs and burning of flags.

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            One person tore down a flag.

            The next day, dozens of Israelis were attacked, regardless of their association with this person.

            They were attacked for being Israeli. Most Israelis were born in Israel and have no other citizenships. Generally you don’t get to choose what country you were born in…

            Every day, the pro-palestine left proves that it has fallen for antisemitic propaganda. You have an excuse now for committing violence against any Jew or Israeli that you want.

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              Every day, the pro-israeli right proves that it has fallen for anti-Palestinan propaganda. You have an excuse now for committing violence against any Palestinian or Arabs that you want.

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            16 days ago

            Sorry, but the news text read as if this was retaliation for acts which happened a day before. You are telling me instead, they were attacked while chanting and ripping flags, which would make this a different story but still an act of violence.

            Edit: could we just stop this whole bullshit and act decent to other sentient beings?

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              I don’t see people calling for decency when it’s brown people on the receiving end. I only see people calling for decency when people call out/fight back against the agressors.

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                16 days ago

                I am sorry, if my words somehow offended you. I never intended them to be interpreted in such a way, nor am I limiting my compassion by skin color or species.

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                16 days ago

                Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are not the ones bombing Gaza. The only logic you’re following here is that being Israeli means you’re fair game.

                Remember how in post-9/11 America violence against Arabs residents and businesses skyrocketed, despite their only connection being country of origin, ethnicity, or religion? That’s what Jews around the world are experiencing because of Gaza - because of people like you.

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                  Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are not the ones bombing Gaza

                  You’re so close to self realization. Neither are the Arabs living in Amsterdam part of Hamas. Yet that didn’t stop these Israelis from burning flags, taunting people, saying horrible things like “Fuck Arabs” and causing trouble in the Netherlands of all places.

                  Israeli people spewed venom, burnt palestinian flags and taunted amsterdam residents. You’re saying that retaliating is antisemitic. I say that’s bullshit.

                  Remember how in post-9/11 America violence against Arabs residents and businesses skyrocketed, despite their only connection being country of origin, ethnicity, or religion? That’s what Jews around the world are experiencing because of Gaza - because of people like you.

                  You seem to be manufacturing the racism by twisting what I said. I only said those who choose violence shouldn’t be surprised people are retaliating with violence. It’s not my problem that you incorrectly think people are retaliating because of your origin instead of your behavior.

                  The behavior of the Maccaba Tel Aviv fans had consequences. Now Israel and the general media is trying to avoid talking about the behavior that started all this and deliberately focusing on the retaliation as if it happened because of the identities of the people.