Sorry for the short post, I’m not able to make it nice with full context at the moment, but I want to quickly get this announcement out to prevent confusion:
Unfortunately, people are uploading child sexual abuse images on some instances (apparently as a form of attack against Lemmy). I am taking some steps to prevent such content from making it onto lemm.ee servers. As one preventative measure, I am disabling all image uploads on lemm.ee until further notice - this is to ensure that lemm.ee can not be used as gateway to spread CSAM into the network.
It will not possible to upload any new avatars or banners while this limit is in effect.
I’m really sorry for the disruption, it’s a necessary trade-off for now until we figure out the way forward.
I am 100% certain that if you compared socialist countries today you would get the same result.
This is extremely obvious when you consider that despite obviously lower levels of development in countries like China, Cuba and Vietnam have higher life expectancy than America.
Not to mention that 21% of america is illiterate whereas literacy in socialist countries is consistently the highest in the world.
Any person doing even the most limited of critical thought about healthcare access, education and life expectancy can understand that socialist countries today would come out on top when compared to their capitalist counterparts that sit at the same level of development.
The fact that you just dismiss it with the USSR present in the data is odd. You are aware that rent in the USSR was 5% of your total income correct? I think your perspective and understanding of how people lived is not in line with reality, your confusion about this data is because you have fully bought into propaganda instead of getting a proper and measured idea about things. You are not immune to propaganda.
Life expectancy is your way to determine successful?
I’m not sure i’d really consider any of those places a good place to live. China is pretty crazy and jails people for talking about Winnie the Pooh. Is that your idea of government?
Cuba and Vietnam also have lower life expectancy than the US.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
Look at Hong Kong kicking ass at #1 though. (Not exactly communist with all that love for the free market)
I think your info might be a bit out of date at this point.
But thanks for the chat.
Using wikipedia is dogshit, stop using it.
The World Bank data is here, which is the same data used in the study: https://datatopics.worldbank.org
The actual current data is:
USA: 77.28
Cuba: 77.57
Vietnam: 75.38
China: 78.08
Hong Kong is not a country, it is a city in China. Individual cities are not good examples of life expectancy when life expectancy of cities typically outperforms life expectancy of rural regions due to quicker access to life-saving medical facilities afforded by density. This is why you really shouldn’t rely on Wikipedia for your understanding of anything. You should go to primary sources yourself instead of allowing editors to curate and present information for you.
Irony?
Worldbank.org
I don’t get the irony. Your data is either not found or decades old. Then you shut down Wikipedia, which has sources cited.
I can make an image to display whatever info I want. Your sources are poor, or biased.
Bro it’s the world bank. If you can’t access it that’s a problem on your fucking side not the most reliable data source used in academia for nations on the fucking planet.
Holy fucking shit is this your first time even hearing about them? Do they teach anything in your schools at all?
https://i.imgur.com/kkmn4g2.jpg
So, http://youre.fullofsh.it
Nice try though.
Lmao, good work chief. You tried nothing and are proud af.
https://databank.worldbank.org/
Here, took me 10 seconds of googling to find the main directory. You’ll have to type in the search parameters yourself, because im not as nice as Awoo.
Let me understand this… you send me a url that is invalid. Then you mock me because I can’t get an invalid link to work. Then, you correct yourself and blame the issue on me, and not you.
Oh and, you forgot to switch your account back.
Different user Lib, and no. I’m mocking you for being unable to do even the most trite bit of googling.
Every accusation a confession
That’s literally not what you just linked to lol. It’s what I linked to sure. But you know how to type in a basic URL instead of a subdomain that’s only used for certain links.
The url error on my part is irrelevant. You’re pretending to be internet illiterate for the sake of defending a position you already know can’t be defended. This is what you people always do, rather than accept that any real analysis of human conditions under socialism vs capitalism does not support capitalism you deflect.
Please provide a link to your source that a person can click and get the info. Check your URL before sending.
Also, please stop trying to gaslight me. If you can’t provide actual data—just leave.
You are not a moron, stop pretending to be. You know how to use the internet. You don’t “win” by saying “please provide a link”. It’s there on the worldbank site, look it the fuck up and stop resorting to debatebro redditisms. If you spoke like this to someone in person they would punch you in the face.
Hey are you not responding to me because you know there’s no way to refute anything I said? I mean you cannot write a snarky rebuttal to my complete debunk of your nonsense. Go on tell me how they banned Winnie the Pooh and that Shanghai Disneyland website is fake, tell me how you can justify that awful Hong Kong point, go on.
Complete BS. Here’s an exhibit on “The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh” in Shanghai Disneyland. It’s absurd that this is the only nonsense you can muster to justify China’s higher life expectancy (even given semi-colonial subjugation).
Cuba is a tiny country that has been massively sanctioned by the largest imperialist nation on earth (the US) for 60 years (after they defeated the U.S.-backed dictator Batista and stopped being a sugar colony of America). It seems that according to the World Bank (super unbiased lmao, and yes this is the same organization sourced in your Wiki article), Cuba’s life expectancy is ~73 while the U.S. is ~76. Personally, given the huge gap in development compared to the two countries, and that Cuba has not engaged in imperialism once whilst the U.S. is known for such things, this small difference is relatively impressive for Cuba and makes you look like a brainworm-infested child for implying a level playing field.
I didn’t think I’d have to explain Vietnam’s history of colonial subjugation by the French and imperialist plunder by the French, U.S., and U.K., of which millions of Vietnamese were killed through bombing/being burned alive. History does not matter of course, so let us analyze their life expectancy: ~74 years, whereas the U.S. life expectancy is ~76. With all this in mind, a two year gap somehow justifies the inherent “superiority” of the U.S. system!
I’ve looked, and @Awoo@hexbear.net already gave an excellent response to this (which of course you ignore in your reply). Don’t act snarky unless you’ve earned it, and you haven’t earned it.
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