I noticed that some people just have an extreme hatred for furries.
I have a friend and I would not call him a generally intolerant person at all, he knows I am homosexual and never cared unlike all other people I have ever told about that(around 6 people), but he has an extreme hatred for anything furry. Like on the level of “All furries should be killed” not the usual shit we can read on the internet.
I do not understand it, but there is really no way to get him to any not as extreme standpoint.
I thought hating on furries was a 4chan meme that became a tiktok meme.
But I’ve a few reasons why that meme may have gained traction. Firstly it’s not a sexuality like homosexuality. It’s more of a fetish, and people make fun of fetishes all the time - see feet, or, idk, midget. I’m sure some maintain its not sexual, but the community overwhelmingly is. Second, it has associations with beastiality. Now I’d assume the vast majority of furries don’t harbour sexual attractions to real animals, but it’s certainly on that side of the Venn diagram, which may cause some concern. Finally people involved generally seem to be social outcasts. You don’t see many captain of the football team furries or cheerleader furries. If school kids are already picking on the weebs and the nerds, finding out some of them dress up like animals and hang out is fuel for the fire.
As for calls to killing furries, I’d wager the majority of that is just joining in on the meme. I’m sure furries would get bullied at school, but as for vehement violence I doubt it transcends the bullying that the D&D kids receive. Not that I condone any violence or bullying towards anyone, furries included. But if you were wondering why people dislike em, maybe this helps.
It’s more of a fetish
I would not say its a fetish, but a fetish can be attached to it. First and foremost its simply a liking for antro characters in e general sense.
And about sexuality, which is certainly the point where people show the most hate. Furries are into human based fanatsy characters with a wild mix of features, from nature inspired to completely made up and that with a great emphasis on the human base of the character.Finally people involved generally seem to be social outcasts.
A great amount of us are aspergers, me as well. We are by nature social outcasts and the target of everyone that can somehow have power over us. So its neither getting worse nor better.
My guess is it’s pretty similar to drag hate.
Someone has a discomfort with blurring certain boundaries in society, and they express it as violent eliminationism — especially after being encouraged to do so as an “acceptable target” by bullies, propagandists, or other haters.
Just as with drag costuming & performance, furry is not itself a sex practice — but it’s often closely connected with queer sexualities.
Furrydom also applies queerness to things that many folks feel protective of, such as cute animals, and characters that are (or appear to be) from children’s media. That triggers the “queers are pedophiles” delusion, which is not new — look up Anita Bryant but has been heavily popularized by fascists of late.
It’s primarily cringe culture. Some people choose to make themselves feel powerful by bullying and harassing others, and furries are often “easy targets.”
I think this is the answer.
The furries i have met irl seemed to be disproportionately socially awkward, and some people in the wider geek culture around them seemed to delight in having someone to look down on as less than.
It’s cringe culture, the same reason people make fun of weebs or anyone else who goes outside of the “norm”. There’s also the issue that some people think that it’s too childish or too sexual (or both at once, somehow)
When we ask people to try to understand something that is outside of their close social norms, hate soon follows unfortunately. People fear and hate “the others” that they do not understand themselves. It goes deeper than that, but it’s usually where it starts.
It’s a knee-jerk disgust reaction towards any group different from the norm. Furries are also overwhelming queer, so homophobia ties a lot into it.
This article provides a pretty good breakdown of 9 reasons why people would be hostile towards furries.
The one that stood out to me most and was my first thought was:
- Lack Of Understanding - As with anything new, there is a general lack of understanding of the furry community. The older generation has a more difficult time coming to terms with the furry lifestyle (…) Unfortunately, many people are not willing to give furries any patience. They hate them right away, without a second thought, just because they are different from them.
older generation
Do they mean the boomers, because I’m 41 and I’ve been into the fandom for the past 25 years. It’s been around for a few decades at this point.
Some people think all furries want sex with animals.
My guess is that they confuse furries with people who are sexually attracted to animals or animal characteristics.
In reality, furries are people who partially or fully identify with what native people would have called their spirit animal and modern furries call their fursona (except with more or less human features, because they meld what they see as their spirit animal with their human self).
But because drawings of fursonae exist, rule 34 ensures that there is porn of them. Some people really like that kind of porn, unrelated to whether they’re furries or not, and I believe it is those people the hate is directed at.
As for why, I would guess it’s something like “how dare you sexualise animals!” (or maybe even a subconscious “how dare you make a drawing of what I believe is supposed to be an animal that is actually sexy to me!”, similar to how some conservatives are so vehemently against homosexuality because they secretly feel tempted, and then get caught at a gay orgy later). And/or they see it as something like a gateway drug to bestiality (sexual abuse towards animals).
But because drawings of fursonae exist, rule 34 ensures that there is porn of them. Some people really like that kind of porn, unrelated to whether they’re furries or not, and I believe it is those people the hate is directed at.
This would be my opinion. I’m neutral towards furries; I am not neutral towards the flood of porn that seems to make up the majority of my every (and often only) contact with the furry community and I’m honestly surprised that wouldn’t be the obvious answer. Do I get to see how those suits are crafted? No, I’ve never seen that. Saw a tiger getting railed in an elevator yesterday, though.
It’s really not doing me any favors in the fediverse right now. I shouldn’t have to voluntarily search “yiff” every few days just to search for new things to preemptively block and I can’t turn NSFW off, either, without banning myself from my own medical subs.
This would be my opinion. I’m neutral towards furries; I am not neutral towards the flood of porn that seems to make up the majority of my every (and often only) contact with the furry community and I’m honestly surprised that wouldn’t be the obvious answer. Do I get to see how those suits are crafted?
Those suits are incredibly expensive and they are trade secrets to the people who make them as they want to protect their market. Generally some people have them, and it may look like its the final goal of everyone in the community to own one of their character, but its not. Its a tiny amount of people who both want one and can effort the at least 20k€, like just a head costs around 5k€.
No, I’ve never seen that. Saw a tiger getting railed in an elevator yesterday, though.
It’s really not doing me any favors in the fediverse right now. I shouldn’t have to voluntarily search “yiff” every few days just to search for new things to preemptively block and I can’t turn NSFW off, either, without banning myself from my own medical subs.I see this as a general issue that magazines/communities can not be generally set as NSFW, only individual posts and people sometimes forget that. And you are not alone with that, I am also suffer from that because I would rather not see naked female ass in All. It is always something that annoys people if they see porn they do not like but do not pretend like you are the only one that is victim to that.
Those suits are incredibly expensive and they are trade secrets to the people who make them as they want to protect their market.
That makes a lot of sense now that you say it, but I’m still gonna be sad about it. I really like crafting videos these days.
I see this as a general issue that magazines/communities can not be generally set as NSFW, only individual posts and people sometimes forget that. And you are not alone with that, I am also suffer from that because I would rather not see naked female ass in All.
You…can, though? I can with mine, anyway. Is that something only kbin can do right now, or am I misunderstanding what you mean?
Not that it makes much of a difference for people who want more granular nsfw settings. Still really waiting on those, I think adding auto-tagging to submissions and then presenting the ability to filter by tag is a fantastic idea that would really solve a ton. I literally have to do the same with sports that I have to do for porn subs in order to get them out of my feed and they just keep proliferating every time someone subs to or spins up a new instance. I know past a certain point bitching about all topics being in All is dumb, but blocking doesn’t accomplish as much as it should right now just due to the nature of the fediverse.
Admittedly, if you’re someone who doesn’t mind porn in All as long as it’s your fetish, it would be easier to whitelist things at that point. There’d have to be a whole menu and everything, which I’m sure is doable. For furries, monster fuckers, etc., this would necessitate a “human porn” tag to enter wide use and I don’t ever see that happening, so they and they alone are stuck blocking nsfw and subbing directly.
You…can, though? I can with mine, anyway. Is that something only kbin can do right now, or am I misunderstanding what you mean?
If, then its new, but the main community having adult furry content is using lemmy.
Admittedly, if you’re someone who doesn’t mind porn in All as long as it’s your fetish, it would be easier to whitelist things at that point.
I generally do not want to see porn in All, neither human porn nor furry gay porn. It the one thing that does not belong in All. All is to learn about new content, and you are not gonna start to like furry gay porn and I am not going to start to like naked female ass. Porn is a individual thing and I believe everyone knows what he or she wants and follows the magazines/communities that offer that without having to discover it in all.
What is interesting to me is, yes sure unconventional ideas in porn are something people easily find rage for, yet that is not the issue for that friend of mine. He himself can be called unconventional in that regard. He really just hates the idea of antro furry in general.
As a homosexual that rage is something I am well too familiar already as that it would bother me.
I find the anthropomorphic children’s cartoon aesthetic of furries to be extremely cringe. Its juvenile and ugly, and then when its sexualized or people are making fursuits, it becomes exponentially more cringe.
I think if furries had a better art style and less weirdly anthropomorphized, I might even be on board.
Edit: I just want to be clear that I don’t hate furries at all and have friends who are furries who I love and respect. I’m just trying to be honest about what I find off-putting about it because I imagine there are other people who have a similar “cringe” reaction to the art style and translate that into hate.
Do you also see “Anime” as children’s cartoon aesthetic?
That’s a good question. Some anime styles, definitely not. Other anime styles, maybe. But it definitely doesn’t feel “childish” to me in the same way anthropomorphic animals do. It may be my personal experience. I associate anthropomorphic animals, and the particular art style of furries, to media I consumed between the ages of like 2 and 8. I wasn’t exposed to anime until I was a young teenager, so it doesn’t really have that association with childhood for me.
I really do find it fascinating to analyze these biases, because I do consider it an irrational bias that I have. I can analyze the reasons for it, but it isn’t really a logic, just a feeling.
I think that mainly is it, personal experience and a locked in first impression.
I’m not a furry, I’m chill with furries, but I do wish there was more variety in the art style. A lot of it is human anime-esque with furry features or too mascot-y. I think I would be a furry if more of them were drawn like disney, looney toon, and other western cartoons. But not much is.
So even though I like cartoon animals, I can only consider myself maybe 5% furry at best.
I don’t hate them, I just find them weird. Because furry culture seems to be mostly populated by homosexual males, I am basically not interested in it.
We do have heterosexuals and bisexuals. According to surveys only around 50% of us are homosexuals. We also have a astonishingly high amount of Aspergers.
@Alexmitter Bad experiences.
I might get downvoted to hell but here goes. Unironically roleplaying as animals by wearing costumes and finding that sexually stimulating is fucking weird man.
If you think that is unacceptably weird, then you seen nothing. Though the portion of people who can afford such costumes that start at 20k and are into adult roleplaying with that is tiny.
Let’s assume that it is “fucking weird, man,” for the purpose of this discussion. Please walk me from there to hating furries.
Yeah it’s weird, but it’s somebodies good fun. I’m not into it but hell, if they are have at it. No need to get angry about it.
Take a walk around Furcadia, check out some user generated dreams, and report back to me what you find
Jesus, I haven’t heard the name “Furcadia” in like, 20 years. I wasn’t aware it was still in operation. I thought most of us had moved on to SL or VRchat.
Never heard of that game, would you please tell me what you expect me to find because I rather not play it just to figure that out.
I’m Surprised, it’s the pre-eminent MMOSG/MMORPG for the furry community.
I expect you to find what makes people uneasy around furries
Wow Furcadia is still a thing? I remember it being around like… idk… 20 years ago. If its still going, that’s pretty cool. I love when old parts of the internet are still there, just chugging away in their own little corner.
Yeah, they had a kickstarter in 2012 and revamped everything
I am not surprised to not know it, I am not into this kind of games. Actually so far I know no game I like that has furry content. I do not play much in general. But I think you where talking about those so called “dreams” that they also mention on the website, mind telling me what you found in those?
hard to describe it exactly. An atmosphere of goofy, cartoony demeanors and rope play. As an example.
The furry community isn’t a monolith, but what i’ve seen fairly consistently is a cartoonish kind of behavior. Kind of silly, cutesey. And on the margins of that is sexual content. It’s a weird combination.
I personally have not seen sexual content that at the same time tried to be goofy or cartoonist. Maybe thats something specific to the community around this game? I see a kind of cartoonish goofy behavior from people in character wearing a suit, but not in the typical sexual art the wider community produces.
It’s out there
I am sure it is, if its plausibly thinkable, there is porn of it.
I will preface this by saying I have zero hate for people enjoying themselves without harming others.
When someone injects extreme representations of themselves into every encounter they have with no regard for context, it can be frustrating. It’s off-putting to be having a typical conversation and suddenly have someone use RP text. It’s not the culture that is off-putting, it’s the out-of-context actions.
I understand that for some, social cues and context around conversation might not be as clear or understood. I just personally have a hard time handling a conversation when the other party is suddenly RPing as their fursona outside of that space.
Just because someone doesn’t understand that is no reason to have some sort of extreme hate towards them though.
