• OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world
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      13 hours ago

      And for fucks sake stop accusing the IDF of using human shields. That happened like literally five times.

      It seems pretty reasonable to accuse them of something they have done repeatedly.

      And this isn’t “minding their own business near something we want to bomb,” like the claims against Hamas, these are cases of people literally and directly used as shields.

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        Sure, it can be reasonable. Using it as “whataboutism” though isn’t a legitimate argument.

        Hamas uses entire cities. Millions of people. Generations of young men and women who might otherwise prosper except they are born into a place run by Hamas.

        It’s disgusting when anyone uses human shields. In Israel it’s a crime. In Gaza, it’s a the greatest hope of the leadership, that a civilian might die to an Israeli bomb.

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          Hamas uses entire cities. Millions of people.

          Can you explain exactly how? How can someone sat in their home above a tunnel they did not create or possibly even know about be a human shield? That is meaningfully different to being strapped to the front of a car or forced into a booby trapped tunnel at gunpoint, no?

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            Voluntary vs involuntary human shields. Hamas plundered the wealth of all Gaza and used it to build 500 miles of tunnels in an area only 25 miles wide.

            It is meaningfully different, yes. There’s been a handful of strapping people to a car. It’s a crime in Israel. People have been imprisoned for it.

            ~5 people < ~2,000,000 people.

            5 people is basically an isolated incident.

            2,000,000 people decade over decade is a modus operandi.

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              How exactly are Gazans human shields? In what meaningful sense? Being in your home near something Israel deems a target doesn’t make you a shield, does it?

              Voluntary vs involuntary human shields.

              Who is voluntary?

              It is meaningfully different, yes.

              Glad we agree. And much worse, imo.

              ~5 people < ~2,000,000 people.

              The rest of this all depends on how exactly you’re alleging that 2 million people are human shields and not just humans

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      Anyone can throw a few links together

      And yet not a single citation here. 🤔

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          And then they cheer with giddy excitement when their own families get killed, just so they can bitch about how they are the real victims.

          Come on now. Is this easily verified? Is it even true?

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              Ooh nice citations let’s take a look at one randomly and see how we did.

              Telling their families and neighbors that the evacuation warnings the IDF is mass texting and posting about are a hoax.

              https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-tells-gaza-residents-stay-home-israel-ground-offensive-looms-2023-10-13/

              Oh dear! You made up the “hoax” part and neither that word nor sentiment appears anywhere in the article! Instead they call it what it is: ethnic displacement.

              “Like they did in 1948 when they pushed people out of historical Palestine by dropping barrels of explosives on their heads, today Israel is repeating this before the eyes of the world and live cameras,” Okal told Reuters.

              In Gaza, mosques broadcast the message: “Hold on to your homes. Hold on to your land.” ‘WE WILL NOT LEAVE’

              They are holding onto their homes. These people have been living in an open air prison for entire lifespans and you have the gall to misquote them in defense of the ones doing the murder. I am absolutely disgusted by this behavior and I hope one day you feel ashamed for your lies.

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          12 hours ago

          “trust me bro these facts are soooo easily verified. i won’t do it but it’s so easy bro i swear.”