That’s hard to believe honestly, I assume DW is fearmongering and exaggerating the AfD’s positions since it’s electoral season in germany and the party is polling in 2nd-3rd.
Either way if it’s real I doubt they’d go through with it.
The anti-euro (both currency and organisation) sentiment was at the core of the founders of the AfD in 2013. It got quickly supplanted by a more straight up hard-right-nationalist ideology and has not played much of a role since then, but has always been on the back burner and showed up in singular positions of its deranged members. Them picking it up now seems like a calculated political move to find another scapegoat after refugees, muslims, “Genderwahnsinn” (literally “gender insanity”, which would be a great name for a queer punk band tbh) or what have you.
Is this an actual position they hold? Who knows, they are fucking fash and will say and do anything to get into power and are not beholden to anything, once in power.
IIRC from reading Quinn Slobodian’s books on free market radicals the precursor to the AfD were right wing libertarians, and those people used to be afraid that the EU would “smuggle in socialism” through regulations and stuff. Nowadays those type of ideologues mostly love the EU and like you said the AfD itself abandoned that for more protectionist policies and nationalism/scapegoating migrants.
But I’m sure the leadership understands that germany IS the EU and the euro, and its institutions are set up to make the german economic model the chief beneficiary, so abandoning it entirely instead of reforming it to be even more beneficial to germany seems like a thing they wouldn’t actually follow through.
Nevertheless it’s dreadful that this type of statement from the article:
Regarding the exit from the euro, the document states that “AfD is aware that the reintroduction of a stable national currency cannot happen without conversion costs. However, these will be lower than the permanent costs of remaining in the euro system”.
Probably depends on how bad things get economically. The EU has been sucked dry by the three years of proxy war in Ukraine at this point. This winter is expected to be colder than the last two which could lead to a new energy crisis. That could create conditions for Germany to decide they want to reopen the remaining pipeline and try to patch things up with Russia and China.
We said that the last 2 times and it didn’t happen, I think unless something changes germany will remain committed to atlanticism. And the guy leading the party that’s leading the polls is a huge atlanticist
What’s changing is that German economy is unravelling. The atlanticist mainstream might squeak by in these elections, but the trends are quickly building against them. It’s also worth noting that it’s not just Germany. France, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Romania, Hungary, are all starting to turn against atlanticism as well.
The past three years have been really hard on people, and it’s becoming increasingly clear that it was all for nothing. Russia is winning the war, and there’s nothing the west can do about it. People are starting to realize they were being lied to and that their future has been stolen from them.
Afd is gaining a lot of sympathies amongst the working class due to the fact they allegedly have “an investor” that will restore nordstream 2 and make the economy good again.
But they hate china a lot. Only BSW may be pro-china to some extent. Die Linke destroyed themselves by embracing radlibery and focusing on electability.
I think the first step for Germany has to be to gain some measure of sovereignty, which means overthrowing the current US puppet regime. Once that happens, then Germany will end up being integrated economically with the east over time because it’s the only thing that makes sense. The current state of things is not sustainable because it doesn’t make sense economically.
Hell its needs a proper revolution because most of the upper class has ties to the the us, german old money literally study and live in the UK for periods of time.
That’s hard to believe honestly, I assume DW is fearmongering and exaggerating the AfD’s positions since it’s electoral season in germany and the party is polling in 2nd-3rd.
Either way if it’s real I doubt they’d go through with it.
The anti-euro (both currency and organisation) sentiment was at the core of the founders of the AfD in 2013. It got quickly supplanted by a more straight up hard-right-nationalist ideology and has not played much of a role since then, but has always been on the back burner and showed up in singular positions of its deranged members. Them picking it up now seems like a calculated political move to find another scapegoat after refugees, muslims, “Genderwahnsinn” (literally “gender insanity”, which would be a great name for a queer punk band tbh) or what have you.
Is this an actual position they hold? Who knows, they are fucking fash and will say and do anything to get into power and are not beholden to anything, once in power.
IIRC from reading Quinn Slobodian’s books on free market radicals the precursor to the AfD were right wing libertarians, and those people used to be afraid that the EU would “smuggle in socialism” through regulations and stuff. Nowadays those type of ideologues mostly love the EU and like you said the AfD itself abandoned that for more protectionist policies and nationalism/scapegoating migrants.
But I’m sure the leadership understands that germany IS the EU and the euro, and its institutions are set up to make the german economic model the chief beneficiary, so abandoning it entirely instead of reforming it to be even more beneficial to germany seems like a thing they wouldn’t actually follow through.
Nevertheless it’s dreadful that this type of statement from the article:
Is coming from the far right and not the left
Probably depends on how bad things get economically. The EU has been sucked dry by the three years of proxy war in Ukraine at this point. This winter is expected to be colder than the last two which could lead to a new energy crisis. That could create conditions for Germany to decide they want to reopen the remaining pipeline and try to patch things up with Russia and China.
We said that the last 2 times and it didn’t happen, I think unless something changes germany will remain committed to atlanticism. And the guy leading the party that’s leading the polls is a huge atlanticist
What’s changing is that German economy is unravelling. The atlanticist mainstream might squeak by in these elections, but the trends are quickly building against them. It’s also worth noting that it’s not just Germany. France, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Romania, Hungary, are all starting to turn against atlanticism as well.
The past three years have been really hard on people, and it’s becoming increasingly clear that it was all for nothing. Russia is winning the war, and there’s nothing the west can do about it. People are starting to realize they were being lied to and that their future has been stolen from them.
adding austria to scribble a dick on the map to spite europe
Afd is gaining a lot of sympathies amongst the working class due to the fact they allegedly have “an investor” that will restore nordstream 2 and make the economy good again.
But they hate china a lot. Only BSW may be pro-china to some extent. Die Linke destroyed themselves by embracing radlibery and focusing on electability.
I think the first step for Germany has to be to gain some measure of sovereignty, which means overthrowing the current US puppet regime. Once that happens, then Germany will end up being integrated economically with the east over time because it’s the only thing that makes sense. The current state of things is not sustainable because it doesn’t make sense economically.
Hell its needs a proper revolution because most of the upper class has ties to the the us, german old money literally study and live in the UK for periods of time.