• mustardman
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    1 year ago

    This is the worst attempt at Sealioning that I have ever seen.

    Please tell me with full seriousness how redirecting capital from the capital class to the working class is anything other than socialism.

    • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      1 year ago

      how redirecting capital from the capital class to the working class is anything other than socialism.

      Theres this concept, where the Capitalists are expropriated from and reproletarianized back into the working class whom in turn seize full control of the means of production and abolish the capitalist governments in order to build governments of/by/for the working class. Thats called building Socialism, and to do anything other than working towards the goal of liquidating the enemies of the working class is to do anything other than fighting for socialism.

      Taking money from the rich and simply redistributing it a la your “profit sharing” does not solve the fundamental contradiction between the capitalist class and the working class as it does nothing to change the economic structure the two exist in opposition to each other. If nothing else. all you’re advocating for is prolonging the existence of Capitalism and fighting against the interests of your own class by advocating for maintaining the cruel system of Capitalism but trying to disguise the worst visages it wears with smiley face emojis

      • mustardman
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        1 year ago

        Ok. But you have to agree it’s a lot closer to socialism than the status quo.

        • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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          1 year ago

          No lol that’s just welfare - something that can be done regardless of what economic system is in place. Now if you want a discussion on a contrastive analysis of the class dynamics of welfare under a Socialist and Capitalist system, that’d be an interesting topic to research into.

            • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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              1 year ago

              Nope, the Soviet Union was Socialist. All other AES projects are also moving towards becoming socialist as well in their own distinctive manner.

              It doesn’t change you’re a fucking liberal that thinks socialism is when you redistribute wealth without changing the existing economic system.

              • mustardman
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                1 year ago

                There are no pure economic systems that currently exist or have ever existed.

                I wouldn’t expect users from Hexbear to understand nuance.

                • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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                  1 year ago

                  thats because you’re a dipshit idealist with your head up your ass in the clouds fantasizing about make-believe shit and denouncing everything that isn’t as ephemeral and pure as a thought. Your entire ideology is that of theatrics that thinks nothing of concrete human beings, not the concrete workers of flesh and blood who are living and struggling in your country - or any country for that matter - but is an ideology devoid of materialist common sense.

                  You’re a liberal phrasemonger - Advocating for things and using phrases are Leftist, but in practice it turns out that they are aiding the enemies of the working class. You talk like you’re on the Left but in actuality come out on the Right.

    • JamesConeZone [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      Because they don’t own the means of production. Socialism isn’t just redirecting capital, it is about eliminating it and the ruling class. Profit sharing is a bandaid on the grand canyon; workers are still exploited by the capital class. Socialism is a completely and total shift so large and threatening to the ruling class that it can only happen through revolution, it’s way bigger than sharing profits

      • mustardman
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        1 year ago

        That’s not whataboutism, that was the original argument.

        You guys are the worst trolls in the fediverse.