EDIT: no, I don’t sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they’re losing an argument ;)

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      Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand. In Fountainhead, she goes in depth about how Chinese life expectancy statistics are generally made up.

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        Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand

        michael-laugh

        That’s incredible, I honestly did not see that one coming.

        So tell me, what’s your best guess at what Chinese life expectancy was before the CPC came to power, and what do you think it is now? Do you dispute the numbers from before the communists were even in power? Or do you think they’re still living in mud huts?

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                Oh, so you consider Deng’s reforms to be right-deviationist? Are you a Maoist, then?

                Whether you consider the CPC to be communist or not, the fact still remains that they’ve made a lot of improvements in the lives of the average Chinese person.

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                  Deng was alive and well when two of those stock exchanges were opened and the whole argument was “look at the improvements only possible under Communism”.

                  How do you say “moving the goalposts” in Mandarin? Actually, no need to answer as you are all suburban petit bourgeois kids from the US.

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                    Deng was alive and well when two of those stock exchanges were opened

                    That’s… what I said? Obviously, Deng was the one who implemented economic reforms, such as opening stock exchanges and allowing foreign investment. Some Maoists consider this to be right-deviationist and counter-revolutionary, and that he should’ve continued more in line with Mao’s policies. That’s why I asked if you’re a Maoist, since you consider his reforms incompatible with socialism.

                    I’m not sure who’s whole argument was “look at the improvements only possible under Communism.” China’s conditions were much worse off than places like the US, so obviously it’s possible to improve conditions to be better than per-revolutionary China (which is not saying much) without communism. It’s just that in China’s case, it was the communists that did it.

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          You can laugh, but communist oppression is no laughing matter. Please see this article where Ben Shapiro writes a thesis-level takedown of the mythos of Chinese life expectancy.