EDIT: no, I don’t sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they’re losing an argument ;)

  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Of course I know that, did you not read what I said?

    “China’s conditions were much worse off than places like the US, so obviously it’s possible to improve conditions to be better than per-revolutionary China (which is not saying much) without communism.”

    It’s not hard to double your life expectancy when you’re starting out with the same life expectancy that existed in the Roman Empire almost 2,000 years prior. Thanks, Mao!

    It really is wild that no other faction was willing to do anything that would increase Chinese life expectancy above that of the Roman Empire, yes. I agree, thanks, Mao!

    It’s pretty funny that you criticize Deng for implenting economic reforms that led to further industrialization, while also crediting the rise in life expectancy to that very same industrialization.

    What even is your ideology? And can you answer my question about who should’ve come to power instead of the communists?

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      So you agree it has nothing to do with communism and you’re just trolling around the internet. Got it.

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        I have no idea what thought process led you to post that but ok.

        There were a lot of really simple, basic improvements that the peasants in China desperately needed. Anybody could’ve done what was needed, but nobody else was willing to, because nobody else cared. There was no special technical economic policy that uplifted them, it was just a willingness to address their needs that no other faction possessed.

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          The entire point of this brilliant thread is that communism, not individuals, lifted people out of poverty. Numerous economic systems have high life expectancy (socialist, capitalist, etc) and the common denominator is basically just industrialization.

          Who would have thought the ability to make nation-state quantities of medication extends lives?

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            The entire point

            That’s all you fam, I never said anything like that. All I did was point to graph and say I liked it when people do things (and political projects) that make life expectancy skyrocket. You seem to have read a bunch of stuff into that.

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                Life expectancy doesn’t always give the whole picture. For example, in my graph, there are times where China’s life expectancy is rising very rapidly, but it was still considerably lower than that of other countries. It’s necessary to analyze what policies lead to what results and what the reasons are for the success or failure of a given political project or policy.

                I haven’t studied South Korea’s policies and material conditions closely enough to offer much of an informed analysis, as the world is a very big place. You could always make a thread about it on c/askchapo or something.

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                  Life expectancy doesn’t always give the whole picture.

                  Could have saved us a lot of time, going all the way back to the post where you used life expectancy to try to paint a whole picture.

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                    Just because it doesn’t paint the full picture doesn’t mean it isn’t important. The data in this case shows some very clear conclusions.

                    Sometimes I try to post more in depth theory, the last time I tried that, everyone complained that it was TLDR.