Democrats have a choice: continue as the loyal opposition in a political order defined primarily by the populist right, or mobilize a transformative ideological vision and distinctive set of policies capable of defining the political order itself.
‘Logic’ like you just posted is what gave us Trump.
A political parties job is to win elections.
If you know a significant percentage of the population thinks like the person you responded to, and you don’t do anything to win their votes, then you are intentionally trying to lose as effectively as if you worked for the Trump campaign.
No. It’s the campaign consultants that drove a failed strategy based on tacking to the right, and people like you that try to protect those consultants jobs by shaming others.
Saying politicians have to earn votes is not a moral statement in the same way that saying the sun rises in the east isn’t.
It is a statement of fact about the game board that politicians play on. Complaining about that is useless for actually winning. It just serves to protect those that failed you. ie the DNC’s campaign team.
EDIT: What does your view give you? A brief moment of self-righteous joy, with no improved chances of winning. You think trying to shame people you want something from will get them to give it to?
Or do you think treating the people you require something from as a power bloc that has concessions made to it is more likely to get you what you want?
Look at elections around the world. Incumbents are losing everywhere because they are being blamed for the economy. That’s it. That is the only reason Democrats lost. There is literally nothing they could have done to change that.
Years of Covid fucked the global economy and it will take years to heal that damage. Prices will NEVER return to what they were pre-Covid. That is the reality and people can’t handle it. I’m not defending the Democrats, I’m defending reality.
Gee… I guess the ongoing genocide the Democratic party is complicit in committing had absolutely nothing to do with it.
Nor the undemocratic primary selection of a geriatric without the ability to even debate that the the DNC knew was going senile back in '21 per their own leaked internal reports.
Nor was it the undemocratic selection of the person that ran a campaign around getting the support of fucking Dick Cheney, and said she didn’t disagree with a single policy decision of the afore mentioned senile old man.
No. It was the economy. The economy that was good as the entire DNC tried to continuously tell us, going so far as to call it the Biden recovery.
And the DNC has no responsibility for the economy. They certainly didn’t end every single very popular Covid era program and raise the interest rates so quickly, even though most of the inflation was provably mostly (more then 50%) from collusion of companies raising their prices. They even bragged about it during shareholder calls.
Your comment is so pathetically uninformed it is ludicrous.
You aren’t a responsible citizen, as you put it. A responsible citizen should be informed of current events to help them make the decision on who to vote for.
Go pedal your ignorant defense of the people that handed the election to Trump somewhere else.
Every one of your points is a right wing talking point or foreign propaganda. They in no way reflect what the population actually thinks.
It wouldn’t matter if Biden personally flew a bomber over Gaza with Dick Cheney as his copilot and then shit his pants on live TV if he would have been able to magically drop gas, grocery, and housing prices by 30%. He would have won in a landslide.
We tried to warn you. Centrists would rather lose to trump, lose democracy forever, and blame people who can read the writing on the wall than ever think of attempting to appeal to their base.
Their base showed up. They didn’t realize how little the average person understood the threat Trump poses. People encouraging apathy and both-sides talk (helped to a certain degree by foreign online influence) won the election for Trump.
The Democrat base didn’t have the numbers to beat Trump on its own. They needed centrists, people who only vote periodically, and never-Trumpers to show up in sufficient numbers to make up the difference. Trump’s threat is so obvious to the base that they assumed those groups would see the same and show up to vote against Trump. They underestimated how much disinformation and ignorance would dull the threat and make both sides seem the same.
“Logic” like that gave us Trump. Any damage he does is just as much your fault as it is people who voted for him.
“fault” is about as useful a concept as kharma points on an anonymous website.
‘Logic’ like you just posted is what gave us Trump.
A political parties job is to win elections.
If you know a significant percentage of the population thinks like the person you responded to, and you don’t do anything to win their votes, then you are intentionally trying to lose as effectively as if you worked for the Trump campaign.
It gave us Trump twice, after all.
You know what didn’t? Promising people shit.
A citizens job is to vote for the best available option. They failed in their basic responsibilities.
Is an opinion held by people who want to lose an election, and would rather lose than have to entertain a single bit of constructive criticism.
Thanks for Trump. You should be ashamed of having such a short term viewpoint that got us Trump.
The only people that got us Trump are the people who actively didn’t prevent him from winning, i.e. everyone who didn’t vote for Harris.
No. It’s the campaign consultants that drove a failed strategy based on tacking to the right, and people like you that try to protect those consultants jobs by shaming others.
Saying politicians have to earn votes is not a moral statement in the same way that saying the sun rises in the east isn’t.
It is a statement of fact about the game board that politicians play on. Complaining about that is useless for actually winning. It just serves to protect those that failed you. ie the DNC’s campaign team.
EDIT: What does your view give you? A brief moment of self-righteous joy, with no improved chances of winning. You think trying to shame people you want something from will get them to give it to?
Or do you think treating the people you require something from as a power bloc that has concessions made to it is more likely to get you what you want?
Look at elections around the world. Incumbents are losing everywhere because they are being blamed for the economy. That’s it. That is the only reason Democrats lost. There is literally nothing they could have done to change that.
Years of Covid fucked the global economy and it will take years to heal that damage. Prices will NEVER return to what they were pre-Covid. That is the reality and people can’t handle it. I’m not defending the Democrats, I’m defending reality.
Gee… I guess the ongoing genocide the Democratic party is complicit in committing had absolutely nothing to do with it.
Nor the undemocratic primary selection of a geriatric without the ability to even debate that the the DNC knew was going senile back in '21 per their own leaked internal reports.
Nor was it the undemocratic selection of the person that ran a campaign around getting the support of fucking Dick Cheney, and said she didn’t disagree with a single policy decision of the afore mentioned senile old man.
No. It was the economy. The economy that was good as the entire DNC tried to continuously tell us, going so far as to call it the Biden recovery.
And the DNC has no responsibility for the economy. They certainly didn’t end every single very popular Covid era program and raise the interest rates so quickly, even though most of the inflation was provably mostly (more then 50%) from collusion of companies raising their prices. They even bragged about it during shareholder calls.
Your comment is so pathetically uninformed it is ludicrous.
You aren’t a responsible citizen, as you put it. A responsible citizen should be informed of current events to help them make the decision on who to vote for.
Go pedal your ignorant defense of the people that handed the election to Trump somewhere else.
Every one of your points is a right wing talking point or foreign propaganda. They in no way reflect what the population actually thinks.
It wouldn’t matter if Biden personally flew a bomber over Gaza with Dick Cheney as his copilot and then shit his pants on live TV if he would have been able to magically drop gas, grocery, and housing prices by 30%. He would have won in a landslide.
Dems lost due to the economy. Full stop.
We tried to warn you. Centrists would rather lose to trump, lose democracy forever, and blame people who can read the writing on the wall than ever think of attempting to appeal to their base.
Their base showed up. They didn’t realize how little the average person understood the threat Trump poses. People encouraging apathy and both-sides talk (helped to a certain degree by foreign online influence) won the election for Trump.
The Democratic base didn’t show up in sufficient numbers to beat Trump. Harris’ base showed up, but her base all has the last name Cheney.
The Democrat base didn’t have the numbers to beat Trump on its own. They needed centrists, people who only vote periodically, and never-Trumpers to show up in sufficient numbers to make up the difference. Trump’s threat is so obvious to the base that they assumed those groups would see the same and show up to vote against Trump. They underestimated how much disinformation and ignorance would dull the threat and make both sides seem the same.
Whatever lies you need to tell yourself in order to justify moving even further to the right next time.