Neither of those links suggested that it was illegal to lie. Why not? Because it is fucking impossible to tie that rule into a working possibility. Go read your own links yourself, because it is obvious that you haven’t.
It talks about limitations on hate speech, etc, but you can lie without hate speech.
Freedom of speech is an ideal, and is tied to state control of speech. There are all kinds of limitations, including public safety and defamation, etc. But if I called you a Martian, obviously that is a lie. What happens? Does the free speech police lock me up?
I’m not interested in personal attacks, by the way.
Friend, the issue isn’t freedom of speech. It’s breach of contract. The establishment has policies which are the contract for using the designated space. If you breach those policies you are in violation of said contract that deems you ineligible to participate within the establishment.
You do not have the right to intrude on other people’s establishments after being asked to leave for violating their written terms of service without being accepted back.
Edit: for example, Lemmy.world has a rule of no advocating for future violence. Do I agree with it? It does not matter. They created the policy and it is their establishment. If I advocate for future violence they can ask me to leave, and if I argue with them they very well may ban be from posting/commenting there. It isn’t my freedom of speech that they are banning, it is my access to their establishment.
None of that relates to the concept of free speech.
Trump has been lying through his teeth since the moment he could talk. I don’t see either him being penalized nor anybody trying to stop him. It’s got nothing to do with contracts.
Also, I never said that free speech had no limits. If you were to follow the thread you would see that I have nominated a bunch.
I know my comment had nothing to do with free speech, I was saying that the user in question got banned for arguing the rules of the establishment. Whether I agree with the ban or not, if it is a written policy of the community, that is the social contract you are committing to when participating in that community.
From the article:
“Reddit continues to be anti-free speech,” Cedric Hohnstadt said on X. “I just got a lifetime ban from the ‘comics’ subreddit. Yesterday, I posted a humor comic that got over 5,400 upvotes. Then I noticed that there was a pinned post from the moderators saying that comics linked from X could no longer be shared because Musk gave a Nazi salute. I commented saying no he didn’t. The moderator accused me of being pro-Nazi, banned me permanently for life, and deleted all my past posts from the ‘comics’ subreddit.”
None of the issue at hand pertains to free speech. The moderator might be an ass, but it’s their choice to ban users from their community for violating set policies.
It would be like me arguing with the asklemmy community about the title not being in the form of a question and them banning me and me screaming “my freedom of speech!”.
Nah, they just have a rules you have to follow to participate.
Sorry, you crossed the line when you made a ad hominem attack.
What ad hominem, sweetie? Asking if you are a USian? I explained why. Asking if you are a little bit slow? Your lack of understanding of two simple words certainly points that way.
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Again it is.
Neither of those links suggested that it was illegal to lie. Why not? Because it is fucking impossible to tie that rule into a working possibility. Go read your own links yourself, because it is obvious that you haven’t.
It talks about limitations on hate speech, etc, but you can lie without hate speech.
Freedom of speech is an ideal, and is tied to state control of speech. There are all kinds of limitations, including public safety and defamation, etc. But if I called you a Martian, obviously that is a lie. What happens? Does the free speech police lock me up?
I’m not interested in personal attacks, by the way.
Friend, the issue isn’t freedom of speech. It’s breach of contract. The establishment has policies which are the contract for using the designated space. If you breach those policies you are in violation of said contract that deems you ineligible to participate within the establishment.
You do not have the right to intrude on other people’s establishments after being asked to leave for violating their written terms of service without being accepted back.
Edit: for example, Lemmy.world has a rule of no advocating for future violence. Do I agree with it? It does not matter. They created the policy and it is their establishment. If I advocate for future violence they can ask me to leave, and if I argue with them they very well may ban be from posting/commenting there. It isn’t my freedom of speech that they are banning, it is my access to their establishment.
None of that relates to the concept of free speech.
Trump has been lying through his teeth since the moment he could talk. I don’t see either him being penalized nor anybody trying to stop him. It’s got nothing to do with contracts.
Also, I never said that free speech had no limits. If you were to follow the thread you would see that I have nominated a bunch.
I know my comment had nothing to do with free speech, I was saying that the user in question got banned for arguing the rules of the establishment. Whether I agree with the ban or not, if it is a written policy of the community, that is the social contract you are committing to when participating in that community.
From the article: “Reddit continues to be anti-free speech,” Cedric Hohnstadt said on X. “I just got a lifetime ban from the ‘comics’ subreddit. Yesterday, I posted a humor comic that got over 5,400 upvotes. Then I noticed that there was a pinned post from the moderators saying that comics linked from X could no longer be shared because Musk gave a Nazi salute. I commented saying no he didn’t. The moderator accused me of being pro-Nazi, banned me permanently for life, and deleted all my past posts from the ‘comics’ subreddit.”
None of the issue at hand pertains to free speech. The moderator might be an ass, but it’s their choice to ban users from their community for violating set policies.
It would be like me arguing with the asklemmy community about the title not being in the form of a question and them banning me and me screaming “my freedom of speech!”. Nah, they just have a rules you have to follow to participate.
Which part of “the right to seek, receive and impart information and ideas” caused you trouble?
So, are you a USian?
I’m not sure if you are trolling or not, because any plain English reading is obvious
Your own quote, as set out below…
“the right to seek, receive and impart information and ideas”
That also applies to incorrect information ideas… or… lies. Or the truth… Or fantasy… Or anything in between…
It doesn’t specify truth or otherwise. You are free to assume anything you care to - but it’s not in the actual text.
As to your question, I have no clue about your insistence on me being whatever the thing is you keep repeating.
Are you a little bit slow?
Which part of “information” or “ideas” cover lies?
So, are you a USian as misunderstanding of free speach is common there?
Sorry, you crossed the line when you made a ad hominem attack.
I don’t get personal in debates, I let the point of view do the heavy lifting.
See ya.
What ad hominem, sweetie? Asking if you are a USian? I explained why. Asking if you are a little bit slow? Your lack of understanding of two simple words certainly points that way.
i think theyre trying to spell asian
I thought so too at first, but he kept on repeating the typo, so I’m not sure?
it makes sense to me because u and a are right next to each other on russian keyboards so its an easy mistake to make