• Buffalox@lemmy.world
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    17 hours ago

    OK so how are the rules upheld?
    A democracy is a rule by the people who are ruled. What function would make anarchy better?
    Who is this ruler that isn’t present? How are rules decided? Who enforces those rules?
    The only way I see to perform these functions rationally is by democracy.

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      17 hours ago

      Democracy (proper democracy) is literally a social contract my dude. Anarchism uses democracy and consensus to make decisions. Are laws the only thing keeping you from not doing things??

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        7 hours ago

        Yes laws are the reason I drive on the right for instance. It is very practical that we all use the same laws in traffic.
        Now you may think this is obvious, but compared to many other things, traffic is dead simple. Without regulations it will be chaos, and meaningful form of anarchy is chaos.

        You can’t have consensus on everything in any society, it’s impossible, so if Anarchy is merely democracy, why than call it anarchy?

        • 🕸️ Pip 🕷️@slrpnk.net
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          Because anarchy isn’t chaos my dude. And funny you should bring up traffic laws considering many countries have different traffic laws - and yet no one has an issue with that. Hasn’t disturbed anyone.

          Anarchy isn’t just democracy (which technically, democracy is a no-cracy since the “power” being in the hands of the people - aka everyone - makes it obsolete, so there isn’t really a -cracy). Anarchism looks at existing systems and unravels them little by little and pinpoints which aspects of our behaviour and our lives have been dictated by what - and how they would be different if no one forced them to be so. In an anarchist society there wouldn’t be much to agree on concerning traffic safety because, simply put, it would follow the standard method of figuring out what works, like how traffic laws are mostly made now. Only difference is if a rule was deemed unhelpful or harmful, the people could contest it a lot more easily because they give a shit about their loved one’s safety

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          14 hours ago

          It could be? Being a democracy or using democracy as a tool for decision making doesn’t mean it has to happen through government. If you’ve ever made a decision with a friend group via popular vote, does that make you a government? Or did you exercise authority over your friends when they all agreed popular vote was okay to decide where to eat out? I wager neither

          And fyi, you’re thinking of a representative democracy, which is rarely ever truly fair, especially considering the scale it’s supposedly applied to.

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          16 hours ago

          No, as there are no leaders

          In a democracy you give your vote and have no say afterwards.
          In an anarchy people need to work out their social rules together.
          There could also be Anarchist societies with a police force, that ensures the basic democratically created roles of that society are followed - like protecting people from just more muscle who want to rape or steal from them.

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            9 hours ago

            In a democracy you give your vote and have no say afterwards.

            You’re restricting democracy to mean representative democracy?