It’s enough to get you excluded from the jury, but if you are already chosen you deserve to be told explicitly: you can nullify this prosecution if you think it is wrongful
Every legal mind has been very clear that jurors should not be told about it; people who know about nullification explicitly rely more on their feelings than evidence and are more easily fooled by sympathetic defendants and vice versa. Nullification works both ways, you could convinct without reasonable doubt or evidence, which is also not black and white.
Nullification exists simply because jurors can’t be prosecuted for getting it wrong, so they can do whatever they want. But if you join intending to nullify, you technically commited purgery when you swore to “uphold the law”. It’s a very grey area because we technically want jurors to make informed and fair decisions, not selfish ones. Courts have been clear it shouldn’t be explicitly mentioned, but they also haven’t banned it because they believe in the idea of everyone coming to the conclusion the law doesn’t apply/he isn’t guilty of the crime despite clearly doing the thing, rather than declaring him “guilty without punishment”. It would be difficult to ban or make a law against this too. They’re just saying the law doesn’t apply in this case which is reasonable.
Of course in the case of luigi I would totally agree with them letting him walk, but nullification is a fragile thing, especially for those who need to be told directly they have that power. Plus, luigi will at best get a reduced sentence like in crimes of “passion” or for being in a crisis, he likely isn’t going to walk.
Edit: I think we can get banned for discussing this, i don’t know anymore.
“When asked if I knew about jury nullification, you must understand. I personally believe the only way to know something is to experience it firsthand. And so before, I did not know about jury nullification. Now, NOW your honor. NOW I know about jury nullification.”
Telling others to not uphold the law can probably get you in trouble too so it would be hard to convince others. It could work (both ways) if everyone is told after the oath, and they all individually decide to do it.
Ew, I totally would never crowdfund for that kind of behavior. We should share it around if anything so depraved were ever to surface so we never accidentally support doing such things. Despicable.
Knowing about jury nullification is grounds to get you off the jury. Juries are already instructed they have that choice (in different words)
It’s enough to get you excluded from the jury, but if you are already chosen you deserve to be told explicitly: you can nullify this prosecution if you think it is wrongful
Every legal mind has been very clear that jurors should not be told about it; people who know about nullification explicitly rely more on their feelings than evidence and are more easily fooled by sympathetic defendants and vice versa. Nullification works both ways, you could convinct without reasonable doubt or evidence, which is also not black and white.
Nullification exists simply because jurors can’t be prosecuted for getting it wrong, so they can do whatever they want. But if you join intending to nullify, you technically commited purgery when you swore to “uphold the law”. It’s a very grey area because we technically want jurors to make informed and fair decisions, not selfish ones. Courts have been clear it shouldn’t be explicitly mentioned, but they also haven’t banned it because they believe in the idea of everyone coming to the conclusion the law doesn’t apply/he isn’t guilty of the crime despite clearly doing the thing, rather than declaring him “guilty without punishment”. It would be difficult to ban or make a law against this too. They’re just saying the law doesn’t apply in this case which is reasonable.
Of course in the case of luigi I would totally agree with them letting him walk, but nullification is a fragile thing, especially for those who need to be told directly they have that power. Plus, luigi will at best get a reduced sentence like in crimes of “passion” or for being in a crisis, he likely isn’t going to walk.
Edit: I think we can get banned for discussing this, i don’t know anymore.
It’s not perjury because nullification is part of the laws you’re upholding.
Nullification is not a law. It’s a hole in the law of 2 other laws
As we are always sure to err, we should err in the direction of mercy.
Interesting points. I would argue that it can’t be perjury if you swore your oath before you knew about nullification.
Simple. If ever questioned after by a judge:
“When asked if I knew about jury nullification, you must understand. I personally believe the only way to know something is to experience it firsthand. And so before, I did not know about jury nullification. Now, NOW your honor. NOW I know about jury nullification.”
I agree!
Telling others to not uphold the law can probably get you in trouble too so it would be hard to convince others. It could work (both ways) if everyone is told after the oath, and they all individually decide to do it.
This is jury tampering. As long as violence is not involved, it is only a misdemeanor punishable by a $1000 fine in my state
Ew, I totally would never crowdfund for that kind of behavior. We should share it around if anything so depraved were ever to surface so we never accidentally support doing such things. Despicable.
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Breaking news: courts unable to find jurors for Mangione case after citizens informed how the law works
Sounds like a plan.