I often find some ADHD people (myself included for a long time) for some reason automatically shun the simple ideas like this. ALOT of them really are helpful and it does take ALOT of will power. Especially for someone with executive function disorder.
Maybe I’m just a one off case but after putting in years of effort the habits I made have really helped me. And I can feel the damage that occurs when I stop doing them.
I think the key is that we are so often told what to do, but rarely are instructed on how to do it - it’s easy to give advice, but without providing the structure to actually implement the advice, it isn’t worth much. People seem to forget how much work it takes for us to do the things they suggest. Very little advice is as straight-forward as advice-givers make it sound.
Like above, one can say “install time-tracking productivity software” but what does that really mean? To me, it means that now I’ll have to research different types of software. Which means I have to find something compatible with my devices that also: respects my privacy, is easy to use, that has a reasonable price point, and won’t bombard me with ads. If I manage to do all that without getting side-tracked for too long (which is a big “IF”), THEN I have to set up the software and figure out how to use it. Only after all that can I get to the step of actually using it… which honestly, is easy to forget to do as well.
Point is, a lot of “simple advice” isn’t actually that simple for people with ADHD. So when people talk like an idea is some easy thing, it can leave a lot of us feeling like we can’t even reach out for help because iT’s sO siMpLe that asking for help feels embarassing. Yet without guided support, it’s much easier to discount the advice outright than to try to figure out how to implement it on our own. So we fall into that trap, and the “good advice” is ignored yet again.
It’s not the ideas themselves that are the issue, it’s the idea that a person making the suggestion will fix you with such basic suggestions. Alarms? Oh, I hadn’t heard of those, and now I’m cured! Time tracking software? I had not thought of that! Suppose I can cancel my therapy appointments.
I think it’s usually more of a suggestion of a place to start. Alarms for example are really good. Especially if you issue is not being able to remember things. There is no one size fits all solution.
Right, my point is that the unhelpful bit is assuming you can solve it with one suggestion. “Just set an alarm” is condescending and frustrating to receive as advice. I know about alarms, and even if I had anticipated needing a reminder, I might have simply forgotten to set one. Or maybe I had an alarm, but missed it because I was distracted by something else going on.
100% all those simple ideas definitely work for anyone, but it usually takes far longer for someone with ADHD to implement these ideas and make them a habit on their own, and even more effort to keep the habit going. This is really confusing to someone without ADHD because in their own lives when they put effort in to changing something they usually see results somewhat quickly. Thus, they assume the ADHD individual does not care or have the desire to change because there’s no immediate visible results, or not as many visible results over a longer period of time
Yeah it takes a lot of mindfulness for sure. I just want people to know there is hope, and there is good advice out there. It’s just hard, and that really sucks. I hope people can find good support structures like I did.
Not it’s not. You are right. It takes a lot longer to learn those habits and apply it in a useful way. It’s taken me ~9 years and of taking it more seriously. I still f up from time to time. Just not nearly as much as when I started trying to get my shit together. (Even my test results showed overcompensation in my attention problem lol)
You still need to develop those skills on meds. Which takes practice. Meds make it easier to practice.
I think a lot of people on these communities are at a point of discovery and realization. That there is a big factor (ADHD) causing their struggles in life. That they are not “just lazy and undisciplined.” A phase that can look like self-victimization and excuses.
Thing that worked well for me btw, is the ADHD guide on HealthyGamerGG. The name sounds stupid, but it’s the online name of a psychiatrist with experience with ADHD patients, and he takes a hollistic approach. I usually despise every form of spirituality, but he managed to filter out the “woo woo” (as he calls it) and stick to the practical aspects of meditation and how the mind works. Helped me understand my issues and how to handle them better.
I also urge people to be careful with medication. Dosing is important. I was put on a high level of medication and it basically just cracked me out 24/7. I would tell people it was helping me but it held me back a lot. Several of my friends of victims of the same issues. The drugs gave me all the serotonin I needed and it kinda kept me from doing anything at all instead of leveling me out where I could focus.
It took a lot of self reflection to see the damage it was doing.
Medication is a valuable tool but listen to your support structures and let your doctors know how you are responding to your meds.
The meditation that I liked were the ones that practiced mindfully shifting your attention.
The first one was using a specific type of mandala made of harsh contrasting colours and projecting the image on your mental vision. Interestingly, its clarity would fade if you focussed too hard, or too little. Practicing the ‘sweet spot.’
Another was generating thoughts. Letting your mind make stuff. The point was to become aware of the thoughts appearing up. I noticed in this one that the first minutes worth of thoughts were usually garbage. After that, my mind generated stuff that I thought was useful. Like remembering to plan that dental appointment…
This practice was followed by practicing to redirect your attention every few seconds on purpose. Which teaches you how to redirect your attention from your thoughts, into where you want to go.
Ofc, meditation is nice, but the goal is to put that stuff into practice. I found it helped getting myself to do what I want to do, but couldn’t get myself to. Like studying or cleaning.
My tip is, choose 1 low-level and practice that. I started in the morning for 5 to 10min, and tried to apply the lesson throughout the day to make it useful. I did that for 1 to 2 weeks before going to the next step of the meditation. That was hard enough! xD
I often find some ADHD people (myself included for a long time) for some reason automatically shun the simple ideas like this. ALOT of them really are helpful and it does take ALOT of will power. Especially for someone with executive function disorder.
Maybe I’m just a one off case but after putting in years of effort the habits I made have really helped me. And I can feel the damage that occurs when I stop doing them.
You’re definitely not alone.
I think the key is that we are so often told what to do, but rarely are instructed on how to do it - it’s easy to give advice, but without providing the structure to actually implement the advice, it isn’t worth much. People seem to forget how much work it takes for us to do the things they suggest. Very little advice is as straight-forward as advice-givers make it sound.
Like above, one can say “install time-tracking productivity software” but what does that really mean? To me, it means that now I’ll have to research different types of software. Which means I have to find something compatible with my devices that also: respects my privacy, is easy to use, that has a reasonable price point, and won’t bombard me with ads. If I manage to do all that without getting side-tracked for too long (which is a big “IF”), THEN I have to set up the software and figure out how to use it. Only after all that can I get to the step of actually using it… which honestly, is easy to forget to do as well.
Point is, a lot of “simple advice” isn’t actually that simple for people with ADHD. So when people talk like an idea is some easy thing, it can leave a lot of us feeling like we can’t even reach out for help because iT’s sO siMpLe that asking for help feels embarassing. Yet without guided support, it’s much easier to discount the advice outright than to try to figure out how to implement it on our own. So we fall into that trap, and the “good advice” is ignored yet again.
I think generally the idea is to start small
It’s not the ideas themselves that are the issue, it’s the idea that a person making the suggestion will fix you with such basic suggestions. Alarms? Oh, I hadn’t heard of those, and now I’m cured! Time tracking software? I had not thought of that! Suppose I can cancel my therapy appointments.
I think it’s usually more of a suggestion of a place to start. Alarms for example are really good. Especially if you issue is not being able to remember things. There is no one size fits all solution.
Right, my point is that the unhelpful bit is assuming you can solve it with one suggestion. “Just set an alarm” is condescending and frustrating to receive as advice. I know about alarms, and even if I had anticipated needing a reminder, I might have simply forgotten to set one. Or maybe I had an alarm, but missed it because I was distracted by something else going on.
100% all those simple ideas definitely work for anyone, but it usually takes far longer for someone with ADHD to implement these ideas and make them a habit on their own, and even more effort to keep the habit going. This is really confusing to someone without ADHD because in their own lives when they put effort in to changing something they usually see results somewhat quickly. Thus, they assume the ADHD individual does not care or have the desire to change because there’s no immediate visible results, or not as many visible results over a longer period of time
Yeah it takes a lot of mindfulness for sure. I just want people to know there is hope, and there is good advice out there. It’s just hard, and that really sucks. I hope people can find good support structures like I did.
Not it’s not. You are right. It takes a lot longer to learn those habits and apply it in a useful way. It’s taken me ~9 years and of taking it more seriously. I still f up from time to time. Just not nearly as much as when I started trying to get my shit together. (Even my test results showed overcompensation in my attention problem lol)
You still need to develop those skills on meds. Which takes practice. Meds make it easier to practice.
I think a lot of people on these communities are at a point of discovery and realization. That there is a big factor (ADHD) causing their struggles in life. That they are not “just lazy and undisciplined.” A phase that can look like self-victimization and excuses.
Thing that worked well for me btw, is the ADHD guide on HealthyGamerGG. The name sounds stupid, but it’s the online name of a psychiatrist with experience with ADHD patients, and he takes a hollistic approach. I usually despise every form of spirituality, but he managed to filter out the “woo woo” (as he calls it) and stick to the practical aspects of meditation and how the mind works. Helped me understand my issues and how to handle them better.
I also urge people to be careful with medication. Dosing is important. I was put on a high level of medication and it basically just cracked me out 24/7. I would tell people it was helping me but it held me back a lot. Several of my friends of victims of the same issues. The drugs gave me all the serotonin I needed and it kinda kept me from doing anything at all instead of leveling me out where I could focus.
It took a lot of self reflection to see the damage it was doing.
Medication is a valuable tool but listen to your support structures and let your doctors know how you are responding to your meds.
Solid advice! Thanks
I have started the HealthyGamer guide recently and watched about a dozen videos. Haven’t really done the worksheets or meditated regularly though.
What was your journey like? How did you use it? Any tips?
The meditation that I liked were the ones that practiced mindfully shifting your attention.
The first one was using a specific type of mandala made of harsh contrasting colours and projecting the image on your mental vision. Interestingly, its clarity would fade if you focussed too hard, or too little. Practicing the ‘sweet spot.’
Another was generating thoughts. Letting your mind make stuff. The point was to become aware of the thoughts appearing up. I noticed in this one that the first minutes worth of thoughts were usually garbage. After that, my mind generated stuff that I thought was useful. Like remembering to plan that dental appointment…
This practice was followed by practicing to redirect your attention every few seconds on purpose. Which teaches you how to redirect your attention from your thoughts, into where you want to go.
Ofc, meditation is nice, but the goal is to put that stuff into practice. I found it helped getting myself to do what I want to do, but couldn’t get myself to. Like studying or cleaning.
My tip is, choose 1 low-level and practice that. I started in the morning for 5 to 10min, and tried to apply the lesson throughout the day to make it useful. I did that for 1 to 2 weeks before going to the next step of the meditation. That was hard enough! xD
Thank you